AUSA: For years, Predator drones have been able to fly unopposed through most of their missions. If we can do that, you can be sure other countries are working hard to deploy drones to do to us as we have done to them.

Taking the classic dance of measure and countermeasure, strike and counterstrike, the Army and other services have been quietly working on weapons to shoot drones down or disable them.

One of the more interesting efforts is led by SRC, a not-for-profit company formerly affiliated with Syracuse University. SRC has written software tying together their AN/TPQ-50 counter-fire radar, the CREW Duke counter-IED system (an electronic warfare system, really) — both carried on Humvees — and a very small armed drone called Switchblade, built by Aerovironment. I spotted  a poster they had at their AUSA booth depicting the Counter-UAS effort and was intrigued.

The system, begun three years ago, underwent testing this August at Black Dart, the military’s little known exercises for counter-drone systems held at the Navy’s Mugu Point, near China Lake. The premise behind SRC’s system is pretty simple. Growlers, F-35s and other aircraft provide the first ring of defense against drones. But if any penetrate through that first ring or if an enemy deploys smaller tactical drones as our military does, then troops need defense against that threat.

Mugu Point Naval Air Station overhead

The radar picks up the threat. First, the EW suite targets it to break its control or data links and perhaps force it down that way. David Bessey, who leads the program at SRC, says the EW strikes are “most effective.” If that doesn’t work, then a Switchblade is launched to shoot it down. There’s a video demonstrating this at Black Dart, but it hasn’t been approved for public release yet.

SwitchBlade Block10 Launches

“We were able to detect UAVs at a significant distance and basically take them off course, jam ’em, or take control,” the Army’s deputy program manager for electronic warfare, Michael Ryan, told my colleague Sydney Freedberg at last week’s Association of Old Crows EW conference. “We’re actually taking ’em out.”

One of the things that impressed me about this effort, aside from the fact that the services are doing the Black Dart exercises and apparently trying to keep ahead of the threat, is that SRC has pulled together a range of existing great equipment, written new code to tie it all together and effectively created a new system of systems at a nominal cost. I bet the folks at ATL would love to call this one a fine example of Better Buying Power 3.0.

 

Sydney Freedberg also contributed to this story.

Comments

  • originalone

    Very impressive video. In real world action, this would be nice. Next question: will it really work and what other program[s] will either be shorted or eliminated to pay for these new toys? And what guarantee is there that this wont be in the hands of any adversary the Army comes up against? Considering that the Military/Industrial complex seems to be riddled with holes like a spaghetti sieve with spies, if not outright sharing/selling secrets, then until the these same people realize that there are no secrets, then any advantage is fleeting. This is a result of being at war too long, as well as not being able to see the end result, unless one is watching a “Hollywood Movie”.

    • http://westernhero.blogspot.com/ Silverfiddle

      All valid points. This is not a static game.

  • Allen Moody

    Protecting ground troops is a huge liability. For instance if someone threw just one Ebolo dead body out of a plane in the ISIS erea it would wipe them out quickly.

    • Tardis1

      I think they know enough to not lick the dead body. Worse, since they are willing to die for their cause, and have members with Western passports, they may intentionally infect some of those guys and send the home where they will infect every public surface they can find, vomit in a crowded area, etc.

  • FormerDirtDart

    Cute video. To bad they had to go all Hollywood with the effects.
    Fact is, the Switchblade only carries an explosive charge equivalent to a 40mm grenade.

    • SolidBro

      The amount of explosive charge in AA missiles is not so important as the structure of the warhead – in an expanding ring/continuous rod warhead a nominal explosive will unleash an extremely effective fragmenting system that will bisect the airframe – typically cutting the tail off the fuselage.

      That is why the small warhead and weak explosive charge of an AIM-9 is effective at bringing down flying tanks like MiG-25s and F-4 Phantoms.

      • Gary Church

        Flying tanks?
        No. Not a good simile. Aircraft are necessarily fragile compared to a tank and should never be compared- it is so false.

        • Rhan Tegoth

          Exactly! An aircraft as heavily built as a tank would be unable to get off the ground because it’s thrust-to-weight ratio would be less than 1.

      • Rhan Tegoth

        The MiG-25 and F-4 phantom are not flying tanks! Supersonic aircraft are much more fragile than tanks because they need a very high thrust to weight ratio.

    • GTA Supporter

      This is a typical bullshit article regarding a capability that only has
      “political” backing but no “real” capability. The AV Switchblade was
      PATHETIC at BD2014. It could not even find a target to hit in the pathetic
      9 minutes that it was airborne….much less negate a target. AV
      representatives went to great lengths to
      state categorically that they would not only “hit the target” but “hit
      multiple targets” on their Counter UAS runs at BD2014. The Switchblade did
      nothing of the sort. But AV and the Army butt-kissers did provide a fully
      “armed” Switchblade on one live mission. After flying in the blind for 9
      minutes, unable to find the target, they “command detonated” the
      Switchblade….because they could not bring an armed Switchblade back to the
      beach. Great job AV…you made a loud explosion that got everyone’s
      attention but didn’t do a goddamn thing to the hostile UAS that you couldn’t
      find.

      My hat is off to AV for creating a munition that can fly for 9 minutes and
      explode. That has nothing to do with the Counter UAS mission. The C-UAS
      mission has everything to do with detecting a target, accurately tracking
      the target, intercepting the target, and FINALLY…FINALLY…negating the
      target. Great job AV…you started at the end game and are now working your
      way forward….after $56 million of funding. Crying over spilled milk???
      Not a chance…you can take that $56 million and stuff it up yor ass! I
      know the real story and the real story does not belong to AV…regardless of
      bullshit articles like the one profferred up in this email.

      No shit that DoD acquisition is alive and well….its always better to have
      $56M of funding and not be able to perform the mission than to perform the
      mission and have no $$. Just look at the past record of systems…it does
      not take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

      Sorry…our acquisition system is completely AFU. The GTA Bandito….armed
      with an energetic payload….would have killed the target on every mission flown at BD2014. Heaven forbid that the DoD would fund something with a
      real capability…much better to suck the dick of a contractor with a
      powerpoint full of bullshit.

      Since some companies can’t seem to get traction with a system that works, there should
      be no problem with telling the truth…right?? If you need the video proof
      of “real” Counter UAS engagements from a munition, just ask GTA for
      the intercept videos of the Bandito PGLM from BD2014 (or BD2013, BD2012,
      etc.) so that you can see for yourself. Just do me one favor…if you request video of Bandito engagements at BD2014, you also have to ask AV and
      the Army for the videos of the Switchblade engagements at BD2014 so that you
      can compare. (Believe me, they will never provide one…there are no
      engagement videos of a UAS target by a Switchblade….just “blue sky”
      video.)

      No apologies for the rant…I’ve heard enough bullshit about Switchblade
      that I’m ready to puke.

      • Gary Church

        “much better to suck the dick of a contractor with a powerpoint full of bullshit.”

        You don’t need go so low brow. The point is usually made better without vulgarities and profanity. Reallly.

        I agree with you though. It is all about the money and not much about the mission.

  • strategicservice

    They have had weapons that can shoot down drones for 50 years. They’re called MANPADS and AAA. More overengineering for an already overengineered force.

    • SolidBro

      MANPADS are IR seekers. Drones are powered by quite small internal combustion engines and have negligible heat signatures. MANPADS IR seekers don’t work.

      And which currently deployed US AAA system will reach to 15,000 or 20,000 feet?

      • Gary Church

        Study up; they are not just IR seekers anymore. There a several laser guided systems now. MANPADS IR seekers will actually lock on to just about anything they are programmed to. The sensitivity of the seeker head is the limiting factor and that sensitivity has gone up several hundred percent in just the last few years. They could lock on to just about any heat source if you programmed the microchip to do that.
        It ain’t like the old days when a flare gun could spoof a cheap soviet missile. Those days are gone. It is the age of missiles and robots and not many people seem to understand this.

        • Rhan Tegoth

          Countermeasures can be developed against MANPADS including maneuverability and eventually, on board laser weapons that can shoot down incoming missiles.

  • Ken Marshall

    Should we all realize that man is doomed. Each week another more sophisticated killing machine or system is created. Eventually God will grow tired of our follies. He will cure the problem by either letting us do the job or doing that for us if we are still ineffectual at the job as we are in keeping the peace.

    • Michael Rich

      Bring your religious crap somewhere else please, god doesn’t even exist.

      • Gary Church

        That is what God wants you to think. Thanks for obeying.

      • Ken Marshall

        Perhaps not in your mind. I, on the other hand, believe the opposite.

        • Michael Rich

          Okay, have fun with dedicating your life to a nonexistent figure.

          • Gary Church

            Have fun contemplating your brief existence before oblivion. Believing in God is part of being human. And having doubts and losing faith is also part of being human. Suicidal fanatics and God hating atheists are the two poles. They are where the crazies like you are found. The greatest mass murderers in history were all Atheists. The people who try and blame religion are the liars.

          • Michael Rich

            “Believing in God is part of being human.” uhhh no. Being human does not require you to follow a thousand year old book and some ‘god’ that has never been proven to exist.

            “Suicidal fanatics and God hating atheists are the two poles. They are where the crazies like you are found.” Oh cool, guess because I don’t beleive in some religion I am a crazy suicidal mass murderer. Awesome!

            You guys wonder why people make fun of religion? It’s because of people that preach it places that no one cares.

          • Gary Church

            God bless America, you can believe or not believe what you want Michael:) I will stand with you against Islamic fundamentalists any day. But they would saw your head off with a dull knife. Still don’t like Christians?

          • Michael Rich

            I never said I didn’t like christians, or any religion for that matter. I just said I don’t like being forced to believe something or have it preached to me and other people in places it doesn’t belong.

          • Gary Church

            Nobody can force you to believe anything. As for “preached in places it doesn’t belong”; Atheism is also “preached” in places it does not belong. Atheists BELIEVE they own the moral high ground but in truth they are just as guilty of mass murder as any religious sect. I prefer to believe Christians own the moral high ground on this planet because of what the new testament says and the fate of it’s central figure. Like everyone, I doubt sometimes (like when I have seen people die badly) and have faith at other times (little children seem to do that for me).

          • Michael Rich

            When did I ever say that religions started wars and mass murders, not really sure why you are pulling that crap out on me. lmao.

          • CriticalStrike

            Being human allows for innovation of the race and the advancement of mankind.
            God came about around 2,000 years ago….. Before that every HUMAN didnt believe in your stories. The Bible was written by nuns in a convent 5000 miles away from christ, oh yeah and 250 years later….. Explain how the bible isnt full of **** ??
            How does Islamic Extremists cutting someones head off make me or anyone else believe in god? If anything it just makes me think look what the group of nutjobs (5 major world religions) have done now. Your all the same believing in a warped view of the world around you, God will save us !! No the fricken hospital will with their science you idiot.
            So because i dont believe in your story books im a “Crazy”…..
            Just say that to yourself a few times
            “Other people are crazy because they DONT believe in a guy in the clouds”
            Idiots, Religion of all kinds should be banned world wide

          • Jerry

            You believe there is no God. Fine, I have no problem with that. Then you must not believe in heaven and hell either. Then when you die, you’re just dead like a dog. If that’s true you have lost nothing. But if God exists and you refuse to love Him, when you die, you have lost everything. .You might give that some consideration. The chances of this world “creating itself” are about as likely as a car just “happening” to come into existence with no outside help.

      • Rhan Tegoth

        143040 is 100% correct except about the God part. Humans are developing more and more sophisticated machines that are effectively outdoing humanity itself.

  • madskills

    First China Lake is way out in Kern County. Point Mugu is on the coast near Oxnard, may 150 miles away.

  • Gary Church

    Death to Drones? Hah!
    Far easier to shoot down something carrying a human being and now we are claiming drones can all be shot down while our manned systems stay alive? And one sentence about jamming and taking control. Puh-leez.

    I am throwing the B.S. flag on this one.

  • Icepilot

    They’re going to have to put a laser on it, as killing something the size of a crow (or dragonfly) might get kinda tricky. Better to spoof the enemy drone with disinformation and let it go back home.

  • Gid

    What an incredibly poorly made video.
    You’d think a company trying to sell equipment to the military would put some effort into their sales vids.
    This is worse than a lot of the amateur stuff you see on YouTube.
    The actual equipment seems to be an ok idea. Would need to know more about it though.

  • sgtbilko

    My goodness, look at all that water in China Lake! And here I thought California was in a drought.

    (Seriously LOLWHUT? Point Mugu is on the Pacific coast and China Lake is several hundred miles away in the Mojave desert).

  • Raj Venugopal

    Is it possible for the drone to identify the target on its own as being shown in the video. I guess It is not possible until it is remotely controlled from other location

  • Mary

    Didn’t Iran already do this to US drones years ago?

  • RCD

    This is a good thing. Drones are a cowardly way to wage war. Even an F/A-18 pilot has a chance of being shot down, risking engine failure etc. A drone operator is basically Homer Simpson sitting behind his control panel.

    • Rhan Tegoth

      Drones will continue to improve in sophistication and it won’t be long before they will be able to overcome these countermeasures.

  • Rhan Tegoth

    Soon you will have helicopter drones that will be the robotic equivalent of the Apache and the Mi-24 HIND. The US Military is already developing lasers to protect aircraft(civilian AND military) against anti-aircraft missiles.