SecAF James and Lt. Gen. Wilson

PENTAGON: Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James spent most of last week talking with the officers and enlisted men who control and protect America’s nuclear missiles. She told reporters today she believes the service’s nuclear missile force — hit by drugs, a cheating scandal that now embroils 92 officers, and several other recent mishaps — is beset by a culture of “undue fear.” Officers cheated on a nuclear proficiency test because they believed getting a score below 100 would ruin their chances for promotion. She said the command climate at Montana’s Malmstrom Air Force Base was clearly part of the problem, though she was careful not to single out any particular commander.

Very tellingly, James admitted that the troops don’t really hear much from senior commanders or the civilian leadership of the Pentagon about the nuclear mission. This has been an increasing problem as the relevancy of the nuclear force seems less obvious to many in the public and in the military. The days when movies glorified the mission of the bomber and missile crews standing watch against the threat of the Soviet Union are long gone. “I also heard that although we, as senior leaders, talk about the importance of the mission that the team in the field doesn’t always see that talk backed up by concrete action,” James said during her press conference. The missileers and the enlisted men who maintain and protect the missiles and their warheads also complained to her about micro-management by commanders.

Malmstrom has only 190 missileers, so the scandal has led to the decertification of more than half the force, requiring the Air Force to increase the number of alert shifts the two-man crews spend in the missile silos and to shift personnel from other sites.


The general in charge of the Air Force’s nuclear missiles and bombers, Lt. Gen. Stephen Wilson, told us the remaining missileers now are standing 10 alerts each month, up from eight, and they are bringing personnel from the 20th Air Force to help with training and running the simulations personnel must go through.

Air Force Secretary James and Lt. Gen. Wilson, Global Strike Command

James and Wilson were at pains to reassure the American public — and our allies — that the weapons and the men and women who fire them, maintain them and protect them remain safe, effective and ready.

“We are confident in the security of our nuclear mission,” James said. She noted that Adm. Cecil Haney,  who leads the nation’s nuclear weapon force as the head of Strategic Command, and she had told Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel yesterday that the nuclear force remains highly trained and ready.

To ensure things stay that way, James said she will regularly update Hagel and the public on efforts to improve the command climate, morale and commitment to core values such as honesty and responsibility at the three nuclear missile bases.

Wilson mentioned that Lt. Gen. Mike Holmes, vice commander at Air Education and Training Command, will look at how the nuclear force is trained and tested to ensure it’s done with the proper mix of awards, rigor and effectiveness. He will produce a report in 30 days. The Air Force has also assembled small working groups of junior officers charged with finding challenges and solutions. Wilson said they will have a first cut ready by the end of February.

While much of the Air Force’s reforms will center on improving the career paths and reward system for missileers, who don’t fit easily into an Air Force culture divided largely between pilots and space specialists, James also signaled that more money may be forthcoming to improve maintenance, because “equipment is not fully maintained.”

Expect more medals, awards, a clearer career path and bonuses for high-performing misileers, James made clear. And she wants to make sure the wing man culture, where airmen protect each other, does not become subverted into covering up bad behavior. For example, many of the 92 officers were decertified because they knew about the cheating but did not report it.

“We are going to get to the bottom of this,” said a calm but resolute Air Force secretary.

Comments

  • Don Bacon

    I’m impressed. I know it’s early, and possibly premature, but please allow me to restate my comment from Oct 25:

    Thirdly, make better use of females as managers. Many studies have shown
    that women are better managers than men. They are cooperative rather
    than competitive (none of that dangerous drug testosterone), they have
    better empathy for people, and as we men all know so well, they can
    multi-task whereas we can’t possibly.

    • MajorG1000

      Nonsense. I was a Missileer sitting alert during the Cold War. We managed quite well to keep ourselves, our charges, and our testosterone unde control and multitasked quite well. It has nothing to do with who is the better manager, but rather who is the leader with credibility and insight into what needs to be accomplished. Both Women and Men are capable in this respect, and one can do the job as well as the other.

      • Gary Church

        The real trash that gets in the door cannot control anything about their behavior for very long, least of all treating another human being with professional courtesy and respect. Too many of them in the service and not enough done to get rid of them when they reveal themselves. That is changing though. Sparta boy and watters are an example of the people they kick out after a couple years nowadays. Better late than never.

      • Don Bacon

        MajofG1000
        Management is different from leadership. Regarding the fact that women are better managers, read the literature. Learn something.

        • majorg1000

          Yes it is. Managers are a dime a dozen. Leaders who are managers is what the Air Force needs and desires. They are not as common as many believe.

    • Sparticlistic

      Incredible, what Democratic, leftwing, liberal drugs have you been taking. There have been interviews with thousands of men and women in corporate life over the years. What was discovered, was that the majority have one thing in common. Both ” men and women” would always prefer to have a man for a manager. But nice try trying to spread a new progressive myth..

      • shirley

        What moronic, narrow-minded, rednecked, trailer trash swill you spew from your slack, gaping maw. Put down the jug and go on back to chasing your little sister around the trailer, Jesusman

        • jimbob22

          Good on you, Shirley….call them names when logic fails. Surveys have shown that both women and men prefer male supervisors.

        • Sparticlistic

          You sounds like a typical Democratic, Liberal, Leftist, hateful name caller. I’m sorry you had to attend one of the failing, Black, Public schools in Washington, DC. You know the ones where Obama, as soon as he got into office, cancelled all the free vouchers for Black kids to attend the good schools of their choice. Of course he put his kids in private school.
          What can I say except that I feel your pain. You missed out on a good education.
          At this point the only thing you can do is Keep drinking that KoolAid, and enjoy that free cell phone

      • Gary Goettlicher

        Bozo you can’t make up Sh— and expect people do believe you…Please site this study that you got your information from, if you don’t come forward with that Data you are not credible, and most of us reading here and responding know that you Lie…BZ

      • bozozozo

        yes.

        there have been many interviews with thousands of men and women in the US over the years. What was discovered was that the majority have two things in common. Both “men and women” would prefer segregation, and that gays not be allowed to get married.

        times change.

    • Gary Church

      This thread looks like it has gone toxic Don. Show a picture of a female giving orders and they go insane. Kind of like the Taliban. Conservatives are disgusting creatures. We have to get rid of them…forever. The final solution. That’s why I voted for the black guy. First we take the guns from their cold dead hands, then we take their women. It is going to be so much fun when Hillary is elected. Are you ready for Hillary? YES!

      • majorg1000

        I am all for women in the Military, doing exactly the same jobs as men. Women have demonstrated their capablity time and again in every capacity placed before them. All I was saying is that there is no difference in command capability or decision making by either gender when they have been allowed the same experiences and opportunities along their career paths. My wife is a Physician, and I have two grown daughters. I voted for President Obama, and I will probably vote for Hillary, if she decides to run.

        • Gary Church

          Well….kind of M. They tend to get pregnant, lack upper body strength, and that trash element we cannot seem to get rid of has a habit of raping them- as well as whoever captures them if they are taken prisoner. Which is why I advised my daughter not to go in. But besides the very few jobs (SEAL team guys all look like pro football players for a reason) where that upper body strength is important, yes, they can make all the right decisions just as well as any man. Unfortunately they can make wrong decisions also and when they do (just like men) it makes them all look bad (unlike men).

          • Gary Goettlicher

            Mr. Church there is many women in the Military who are great soldiers….How many years have you served so your analysis can be credible…Your advice to your Daughter is sick, if you think that all Military women are Raped….The recent Congressional Investigation just completed by the Congress, and the Military provide statistics, that many Men were Raped in 2012…..As far as being Captured the Enemy also Rape men…You need to rethink your position about the Military….BZ

          • bozozozo

            Seal team guys do NOT all look like pro football players. and there are some pro football players I would not want SEALs to look like. Interior linemen, for example.

            and if a woman making a bad decision makes all women look bad in your eyes, on whom does that reflect: that woman, or you?

        • jimbob22

          Surprise, surprise. Vote for Hillary. The hag that didn’t ask for any help to be sent to Benghazi when her people were under attack. It’s not even clear to this day where she was at the time. As far as women doing the same job as men, why are they considering changing the standards in boot camp training because the women cannot meet the physical demands.

      • mike

        Nope! she is the biggest loser of the clinton brigade of losers. She needs to start telling the truth about a whole bunch of things that will nag any campaign from whitewater to vince foster to her sniping incident to Benghazi. She really needs to work on her truthfulness! Remember the Pinocchio principle–watch her nose grow as she speaks.

        • bozozozo

          her nose seems to be the same length it was when she was First Lady.

          not sure that helped your argument.

          perhaps you should work on your truthiness.

          • jimbob22

            Rose colored glasses…… where was she when Benghazi was being attacked? Why did she not ask for help? Any answers”

          • mike

            We are not talking about my truthfulness, I am not planning on running for president. She likely is, the last thing this country needs is another clinton. But what can i say, look what you got this time.

      • bozozozo

        Gary, I’m afraid you did not help much to keep it reasonable. this post doesn’t help either.

    • Protect Our Backs

      What studies are you touting? Bet they were sponsored by feminists. Every man and woman is born with their own talents and skills and although there are a few, most are not gender specific. A woman can be just as uncooperative, competitive, vindictive, spiteful, and manipulative as any man. The lack of empathy is not male specific any more than multi-tasking is female specific. Managers should be chosen because of their training, experience and PROVEN ability to lead, not because of gender or any other politically correct bull.

  • earlwatters

    what the hell you expect we have a commie,muslim democrat for pres.

    • Gary Church

      GO AWAY JACKASS

      • cherokee1934

        Why don’t you boys calm down and work for the betterment of this Country.

        • Gary Church

          They are not even commenting on the article; they just want to do what they do.

          • cherokee1934

            I see that all of the time on this thread.

    • Gary Goettlicher

      ASK hole can you prove your statement, or you just speaking out of your Ask instead of your mouth….BZ

      • jimbob22

        Our president is a student of Cloward and Piven and Saul Alinsky, all radical socialists. Obama quotes Alinsky in a number of speeches, most recently in a speech in Israel. His divisive speeches citing the “rich” and the “working people” is right out of Karl Marx. What do you expect from someone with zero experience except as a community organizer.

  • Sparticlistic

    I don’t understand James…these guys are just following the lead of their Commander and Chief. Lie, tell half truths, cheat, bribe ,interpret and follow only the laws you want to. Only enforce the laws you want to. You can do anything that violates the constitution, or any law you can get away with. The ends justify the means. An Obamanation for sure.

    • Gary Church

      You don’t understand anything. Least of all that this is a defense website. Go the hell away you idiot.

      • cherokee1934

        You need to be careful as you sound just like the one that you are putting down.

        • Gary Church

          Yes, I know. But it does not matter; they are here and will trash this thread no matter what so I might as well show them the mirror.

          • cherokee1934

            Yes, I see your point…………(lol)
            Have a good Friday and a great weekend.
            Cherokee

    • majorg1000

      Clearly you have never served, or at least not served in the Armed Forces of the United States. If the President is guilty of all of the things you have enumerated, why hasn’t Congress moved forward with impeachment proceedings. Why haven’t they put him under investigation or charged him with any crime?

      • http://www.masterplumbers.com/plumbers/tieger/ Sylvan Tieger

        BECAUSE the BAMA had senior members forced int retirement

        • majorg1000

          Your ignorance is only out classed by your buffoonery. Senior members were retired as the need for a large military dwindled with the withdrawl of our forces from the Middle East. Uneducated persons, like yourself who take facts and distort and twist them think they have the same validity of the educated and credible…you don’t.

          • http://www.masterplumbers.com/plumbers/tieger/ Sylvan Tieger

            As
            a disabled vet I visit the VA to volunteer my time to help my brothers in arms
            and I also noted how the savage in the oval office strongly suggested wounded
            vets should seek private doctors as not to burden the VA health care system as
            he stated ” they knew what to expect when they signed on” NO OTHER person in
            the oval office showed so little respect for the military then the spear
            chucker oops I mean drone) then what is there now.

            Over
            140 BILLION on vacations with his monkey look alike spouse to spread the wealth
            and the worst pay increase for the military in decades

            Senator
            Feinstein also suggested vets be disarmed and it was Wild Bill Clinton who
            said no private firearms on a military base “gun free zone” and the terrorist
            who did shoot up the army base the Savage in the oval office called it “work
            place violence”

            The
            savage much like Adolf Hitler knew “senior staff” members know if you do not
            know history your doomed to repeat it

            Executive
            orders, war crimes using drones to kill innocent people in the hopes of killing
            one terrorist is not how to engage in a war or police action

            Bush
            brought Saddam to trial A Savage that lied about everything including “keep
            your own medical provider” including closing the prison in Cuba

            Majorg
            you should hide your face as you certainly do not want people to see the real
            you and knowing what a moron you are

          • code2high

            As a racist pig…. no wait, I’m sorry, pigs! That was uncalled for! As a racist moron, you should probably stay away from your brothers in arms and everyone else, lest your diseased brain infect them.

          • Gary Church

            You have no history on this site. How were you alerted to attack this
            forum? Why are you attacking an open forum with no moderator? Why are you spamming a site for discussing defense issues?!!

          • code2high

            Why are you playing site police while posting as a guest? Why do you not know the definition of “spam?” Why don’t you go do something productive instead of posting the same thing five thousand times on one thread?

            The story was linked on a list of news articles, and that’s why you’re seeing input from other than your regular posters.

            Now, go put your tinfoil hat on and get some sleep, dearie.

          • Majorg1000

            Blow me, you ignorant racist.

          • YellowRoseofTx

            Well, there’s a thoughtful intelligent reply.

          • majorg1000

            Sorry. Best I could come up with in the heat of the moment.

          • helping the zionists

            keep fighting amongst ourselves! that’s what the zionist bankers who rule us from Switzerland want! They don’t want american unity. good job, idiots, falling for all their sophmoric ploys. it shows how f ing stupid you all are and how much you don’t understand anything about anything.

          • that gentleman over there

            If you’re telling me to do that; don’t complain if there’s a report of someone needing to go to the dentist after a sucker punch. I have a lot of built up stress right now.

          • harvey

            Yep you are exactly correct but sadly most of these people are too askeered and not real americans with balls and spines so they run from things that will take their childrens lives down

          • Joe Evelina

            No need for this.Race has nothing to do with his Presidency.There have been a lot worst than him.Our economy still hasn’t recovered and they didn’t have any color.Don’t think he has the OIL Industry in his pocket

          • Gary Church

            Why are you spamming a site for discussing defense issues? You have no history on this site. How were you alerted to attack this forum?

          • jimbob22

            We get it Gary…..if your on the right, its spamming, if your on the left, its bullshit.

          • Harris Cal

            I am retired Navy and think your posting is either a result of some mental illness or you are drunk. This is 2014, not 1914. I think the school is out on racial superiority; we are all actually equal as human beings. Our choices and subsequent actions (and postings) often elevate us or push us down.

            History will probably not be kind to Obama for his actions not his skin color or beliefs.

          • http://www.masterplumbers.com/plumbers/tieger/ Sylvan Tieger

            Cal your a DUMMY thank God you were in the navy because if you were not there for food and pay nd told how to dress you would be on welfare in some state

            SAVAGE
            is not about race or skin color Charlie Manson they said used a savage attack.
            Mrs Clinton had Janet Reno Savagely attacked Ruby Ridge and Waco Texas

          • Joettecb

            I hate having to denounce a disabled veteran but your disability is your attitude of racism,spreading false information, the crude dissing of your commander-in-chief and your know-it-all (you don’t!) attitude. If all DV’s were like you, I would understand them not getting what they deserve. You represent your country poorly now, in spite of your service.

          • YellowRoseofTx

            That’s unnecessary and inappropriate. You are out of order.

          • harvey

            Your out of order this forum is out of order the entire country is out of order . Washington needs a huge enemma’

          • http://www.masterplumbers.com/plumbers/tieger/ Sylvan Tieger

            A SAVAGE has nothing to do with race A savage is the miknd set of HELLEry Clinton “what difference does it make” or the savage stating “spread the wealth” at the price of short changing those on active duty to keep his crack whore supporters in cages much like a zoo kept animal 3 generations on welfare and still their lot in life has not changed for the better . Spying on citizens, setting up his own private security forces, Spending billions on vacations showing no respect for the military NO ACCOUNTABILTY for his or his staffs actions

            Eric Holder should have been jailed for manslaughter

          • harvey

            its sickening isnt it they campaign and rah rah rah the young people to grab a gun and go army strong! then when they come limping home with one leg its like hey man dont come here go find a dr dont you know one? Where are the people? WHy are the people waving damned little flags while allowing the goverment to fraud those who served? the first job of supporting the troops is being damned sure they arent sent to fight faked wars and wars for the profit of the few. What the hell do you think eisenhower meant with his comment of beware of the military industrial complex???????

          • jimbob22

            Harv, my boy, does that bottle have a label on it?

          • http://www.masterplumbers.com/plumbers/tieger/ Sylvan Tieger

            A MEN .. Same as Nam.. I went to boot camp came back home and was spit at called baby killer and Hanoi Jane became a hero instead of being tried and hung for treason go figure

          • Christopher Koda

            No they were retired because they would not change their oath that they took when they entered the service. That oath was to “Defend the country and the constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic” The new oath that fake president wants 4them to take is to obey his orders exclusively and not to defend the Constitution. But commies like you just kiss his royal anal cavity to get your free stuff.

          • majorg1000

            Really? Show us any web site, any link that can prove the President said or has established that. You are not only a fool, but a bigot and a tool.

          • Gary Church

            You have no history on this site. How were you alerted to attack this
            forum? Why are you attacking an open forum with no moderator? Why are you spamming a site for discussing defense issues?

          • P38L5

            WHAT????

          • that gentleman over there

            For a while I thought I was the only one who knew. well… Hi? Have nice day, not a true American if you don’t hate commies.

          • Christopher Koda

            Just talked to some fellow vets at VA hospital and we were discussing the historically large number of senior officers that were suddenly relieved of command and retired. One who just retired brought up the oath.

          • NJHuguenot

            I don’t know what oath you took but mine never said a word about protecting the country. I was to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of Americabecause without the Constitution there is no country called the United States of America.

          • Christopher Koda

            I took mine in 1968

          • NJHuguenot

            I in 1970. Same oath. The Constitution is the founding document. The country didn’t create the Constitution.

          • Christopher Koda

            You are right.

          • Dan Crabtree

            sadly your speculation is wrong senior members were demoted and then retired for there political positions only…the only idiot here is you…

          • majorg1000

            Sorry danny, you are wrong. I saw a much larger and detrimental cut to our armed forces under George H W Bush.

          • DLW

            I’m sure you meant Clinton!

          • majorg1000

            Nice try, but no. I meant Bush. Check when the BRAC and RIF laws were passed.

          • Gary Church

            Why are you spamming a site for discussing defense issues?

          • DLW

            LOL

        • Gary Goettlicher

          One can surmise from your statements that you are a scumbag Repub, that does not know of what he speaks…Fast and Furious was initiated by the Bush Administration, unfortunately the Obama Administration was stuck with this injustice by the War Criminals Bush/Cheeeeeny….BZ

          • DLW

            You sir are an idiot!

          • Gary Church

            You have no history on this site. How were you alerted to attack this
            forum? Why are you attacking an open forum with no moderator? Why are you spamming a site discussing defense issues?

          • P38L5

            WHATT?????

          • p38l5

            Just calling names makes you a Tr-oll.

          • Liam

            “Wide Receiver” was an undercover “guns to Mexican Cartels” opertation under the Bush DOJ. It was a joint venture with the Mexican Government and the guns had GPS ‘trackers” in them. Fast and Furious was unknown to the Mexican Government nor US Border Patrol agents just a DOJ “Boondoggle.”
            Wide Receiver was an attempt to identify Cartel members; Fast and Furious was so the Oval Office could blame US guns for border violence. Both failed but Fast and Furious did get US Agents killed and involved may more guns (1,000s more), including 50 Cal fully autos, supplied by the Obama DOJ.
            Before you ramble… get your facts right.

          • portangeles1

            The Fast & Furious that you’re refering to was never implemented during the Bush presidency. Look it up.

          • NJHuguenot

            Fast and Furious was an Obama invention. The Bush plan was Wide receiver and was canceled because of an inability to track the weapons after they crossed the Mexican border. That worked well for the Obamaites because they wanted the weapons to be found there so they could show how much smuggling was going on. While Bush’s people were looking to stop the smuggling Obama’s people were working from ideology, trying to find a way to limit gun sales. Both Obama and Holder are on record as being antigun. Look for the old videos of both of them on the subject.

          • p38l5

            Sorry. Worked with ATF, Border Patrol, Customs, ICE. Fast and Furious, first time guns were allowed to walk and an Agent, along with a bunch of Mexicans, were killed.

        • Musik Mann

          When you have a bad day, you’d blame Obama for your being born, wouldn’t you. How’d you feel about Bush nearly bankrupting the country? It’s gotta sicken you every day that you awaken to see a black man is your President. Hate on, hate on…..

          • DLW

            A sorry black man, yes!

          • Gary Church

            You have no history on this site. How were you alerted to attack this
            forum? Why are you attacking an open forum with no moderator? Why are you spamming a site for discussing defense issues?

          • that gentleman over there

            we’re spamming? I’ve seen this comment like 5 freaking times already. so p’ off big head!

          • P38L5

            WHAT???

          • harvey

            notice how not one of them states that clinton left the office with a balanced budget and within 6 mos george didnt even finish his homeside national guard duties had us in the red big time

          • http://www.masterplumbers.com/plumbers/tieger/ Sylvan Tieger

            Mann , I not only work for three African embassies I go out socially with ambassadors on week ends and I have 6 black employees (real Africans, Benin, Guinea and Kenya ) and 19 Hispanics three of whom are supervisors and my top
            employee makes $100 per HR in the envelope

            Mann since you mentioned race please name one black country, city or state that is self sufficient or any that has democrats in charge that is not at or below the poverty level

        • ,Tammy Phillips

          Great points!

          • http://www.masterplumbers.com/plumbers/tieger/ Sylvan Tieger

            Peole are dumb expecting to have some idiot just hand them money with “spread the wealth” America can use some fixing like everything else, but CHANGE it hell no as I love my freedoms and the ability to make my own lot in life and if I fail its my fault and I need to try harder

            I will not play the victim card that so many have for 3 generations.. These poor souls are slaves of the system with food handouts and substandard housing

        • Daniel

          It truly sickens me to see my fellow countrymen have devolved to this state of imbecilic behavior. Not only do you people have delusional ideas of what is going on, but your uneducated selves get violent and erratic. I truly understand why most of the world hates Americans when we have idiots like Sylvan and Tammy representing us. I hope for the sake of everyone on this planet our government falls, both Republican and Democrat, and is taken over BY THE PEOPLE. We haven’t had a democratically elected government in decades, the last President voted in For the people By the people was JFK, and we all saw how that ended, the status quo’ers (yes I know its not a real word) had him done in. Its absolutely disgusting to see Americans acting like such violent, and uneducated imbeciles, and believing in such fairy tale delusional versions of what is going on. I have both Liberal and Conservative views but do not associate with either party because they’re both bastardized fronts for the same group of people, and continue the status quo no matter who is elected. Americans need to wake up and smarten up. Complacent, fat, idiotic scum like Sylvan are taking over.

          • majorg1000

            Excellent. There is hope. Thank you Daniel.

          • ,Tammy Phillips

            I represent no one but myself. My opinion is as valuable as yours, I said nothing violent or hateful. I am very dissatisfied with the course of our government and feel the right to express myself just as you have. I am neither violent or uneducated. I have called no one “scum”. We are bad when we disagree with you, but you were not intelligent enough to express yourself without calling names…..how childish is that.

          • YellowRoseofTx

            Well said!

          • NJHuguenot

            Our best presidents were all born in the 18th century. They were the last to know what this country was supposed to be. It’s been down hill since.

          • http://www.masterplumbers.com/plumbers/tieger/ Sylvan Tieger

            Daniel
            47+ million on food stamps, first time in history the dollars value was in
            question and millions of jobs lost

            WAY
            TO GO fellow SAVAGE lovers who wanted to be “citizens of the world” China says
            thank you for the jobs you have given it. Daniel please tell those who gave
            up looking for a job what a wonderful job the scum bag in the oval office is
            doing. Seal team 6 like others working behind the scene thanks to the moron
            this is no longer possible as now they are all compromised

            “Yes we can” “CHANGE” the best country on earth that used
            to allow anyone to become what ever they wanted by hard work now we have a
            nation of unemployable’s, with the give me mind set and morons who follow the
            blind leader without question

            I love how open and honest the administration is and how
            people get to sign a blank healthcare bill and then told what is in
            it and how CNN would be told before the idiot
            allowed any bills to be passed

            How come there are still people being held captive 6 years
            after the scum of the earth said they would be set free and the lies keep coming….FIRST time in my life I am ashamed to be an American ask the monkey look a like about being proud of America

        • joettecb

          Please don’t call anyone a moron. Between your poor writing/spelling errors and your ridiculous “facts”, you are a joke. Sounds like you got your”info” from Rush Limbaugh, who is just an opinionated gasbag who presents his opinions as if they are truth…..NOT!

        • Gary Church

          You have no history on this site. How were you alerted to attack this
          forum? Why are you attacking an open forum with no moderator? Why are you spamming a site for discussion of defense issues?

        • harvey

          he is being forced to do it and they did that because those seniior members wont attack american citizens and have tried to stop it. when the nukes go off in new york and LA all you twits screaming ” conspiracy theorists!@” will have to change yer underwear You have less than two years.

      • Christopher Koda

        Does the words “RACE CARD” ring a buzzer.

      • jpatton346

        because our congressmen are cowards. They are afraid toupset their plush jobs. Both republicans and democrats

      • Tzadik

        Because there are forces higher than the Prez who want him where he is and are using Bama to achieve their goals. He is doing a masterful jobof it too!

        • majorg1000

          Really? Please elucidate.

      • ,Tammy Phillips

        I have signed a petition for his impeachment. I feel he IS guilty of all of the above, I have not served but my husband has, and my niece does, and he is NOT revered among many of the enlisted people.We have a spine-less congress and that is why action is so slow. If the morale of the enlisted people are not encouraged, America is in a horrible shape.

        • majorg1000

          Impeached for what crimes? Please elucidate. I too served a career as an officer, and a veteran of two wars. Please tell us the conditions that you would allow impeachment procedings to progress against this President. You, and those like you are the people who make me fear for the Union. Uneducated misinformation, half truths and lies. If you can do no better than that, you have nothing.

          • ,Tammy Phillips

            Perhaps I am ignorant, however, I am still allowed to voice my opinion. This president has failed to follow through on problems, where people lost their lives! He did nothing with Eric Holder and Fast and Furious, that border guard is DEAD. Where is his justice? The president and Hillary Clinton new the lies told in Benghazi, four men are DEAD. These men’s families has no justice for their loved ones. The IRS, really, people constitutional rights have been violated. How would you feel if you were in their shoes and were violated in such a way because of your faith or political ideals. I may not agree with you, but I respect you, which is more than you do for others who do not see eye to eye with you. Does it not bother you that our President didn’t even tell us a good lie, like he cared about our dead Americans. Well it does bother me. His declaring he will go around Congress, really? Yes, they are pains in the butt with their polarizing politics, but they answer to “WE the PEOPLE”, as does he, and if they don’t do their job, we will fire them. But there is a balance that has been slowly slipping away, in our government and I believe that President Obama has been one of the worst offenders! And that balance of power belongs to US….the people. You can surrender your rights if you want, but I refuse to do so! Now you can disagree with me if you want, but you served this country to keep it free, do you want to surrender what you pledged yourself to give your life for, your freedom? My family has a strong lot of men who have bravely served this country, and my husband is one of them, I do not take your service lightly and neither should the President or the Congress, they serve this country, you and my husband they owe you both their best, and they have failed you!

          • jimbob22

            How about lying to the American people to get elected?

        • Gary Church

          You have no history on this site. How were you alerted to attack this
          forum? Why are you attacking an open forum with no moderator? Why are you spamming a site for discussing defense issues? This is an attack on free speech.

          • jimbob22

            Get off Gary’s site……now.

      • joke

        nsa has them all compromised. they do as they are told or those naked pictures come out. just ask weiner. he was the zionist poster boy that scared the hell out of congress and the senate. and if it ain’t naked pictures it’s not paying the maid enough or once grabbing a woman’s ass. what do you think the nsa serves to accomplish? look for terrorists? hell, you can just listen to mossad calls for that

      • mark hill

        Because the government is corrupt. get it??

        You do see the world around you, don’t you??

      • harvey

        Because these boys are just fox news puppets yammering away impeach is every third word out of their mouths most just hate him cause he is black. they dont really have the spine to know the corruption they love handing 60 % of their tax dollars to vatican jesuits oh yes thats where our tax dollars go but they wont listen to people who know like senior counsel for the world bank and yale law grad Karen Hudes Ive put her name here none of these balless twits would even look her up.

    • Fred116

      BO wants to disarm this nation and because he can’t get rid of all the nukes, he is just going to get rid of the people who launch them. Traitor in chief.

      • majorg1000

        Having been there, I have to say you don’t have the slightest idea of what you are talking about. We had a larger Reduction In Force (RIF) under George H. W. Bush, that we have had in the past 5 years.
        Your comment is specious and uneducated, full of hyperbole and lies.

        • brianw517

          Where I live, all the AF Base Closings, were uner the Clinton Administratiion, so I can’t put the blame on Bush!

          • majorg1000

            You might want to double check when the laws concerning the Reduction In Force, and the BRAC were passed. It was before President Clinto entered office.

          • RRA

            You are right about when the laws were passed. BUT i know I was briefed that under Bush the submarine force was not to go below 89 attack boats. I think we are now at 56. Politics ruled on the base closures. Our force structure was set so that one might think we were defending Europe or saving East Coast jobs. The real threat is in the Pacific and we closed West Coast facilities. Clinton did close more bases using the Bush law.

          • Gary Church

            You have no history on this site. How were you alerted to attack this
            forum? Why are you attacking an open forum for discussing defense issues with no moderator?

          • harvey

            why are you making ignorant comments full of accusations like Im attacking this site?> thats kinda stupid. Its a discussion you cant handle hearing people who know things you are too scared to even hear thats not anyones fault but your own and who needs a damned moderator do you need someone telling you how to say what you want to say? WHere do you live in germany? What the hell is wrong with adults that they are too panzy assed that they cant take direct talk and cant deal with it so they lable it and pee their pants and run oh where is the modertaor argggggg he is attacking this site making all those useless labeling accusations like the scared sheeple most are. Are you serious? Cause its really lame.

          • squidgod_the_unbannable_2.0

            This is a wonk site for DoD and the defense industry. People here don’t have much tolerance for the typical political ragefest that plays out on other sites.

          • harvey

            No one needs a history to speak boys. Change yer underwear and grow some balls and learn to speak within the context and intelligent this soft ridicule attempt is ignorance. You may need a moderator but i dont a moderator is a lie way of having someone who supports your view keep others comments who dont from being effective its against freedom of speech PERIOD

          • p38l5

            What??

          • Mitch

            Money is the problem. We can’t keep pouring it down the rathole of our corrupt military industrial complex.

          • http://www.masterplumbers.com/plumbers/tieger/ Sylvan Tieger

            Yes, we should not fund the military complex the money is better being spent giving it to a crack whore of 9 kids who is on food stamps, lives in section 8 housing and has free medical as she is a democrap supporter and she is only the third generation of getting handout funding

        • cherokee1934

          Many things happen that are already on the list when any President takes office. On many things the new President just has to continue on the mission that has been laid out prior to them taking office.

        • harvey

          thats what i expect out of cows in the herd. I dont need any damned history on this site to comment and i dont know one person who is stupid enough to beleive what you just typed about george bush

          we dont need the air force the size it is

          • NJHuguenot

            I helped close an Air Force base in the 70s in Puerto Rico. The base had been a MAC and SAC base but those commands had been eliminated making the base excess baggage. As a Sailor I was always jealous of AF facilities. Clubs, better commisaries even tennis courts and golf courses. They knew how to spend money on personell something the Navy doesn’t do as well. The base reverted to the PR government with 1200 houses that had been updated two months before with all new appliances. That said I can see why the AF has little to do Other than large bombing missions which we haven’t done since Viet Nam thay have little to do. Most fighter aircraft and missile activity is from Navy aircraft carriers that bring the air field to the enemy where sortee after sortee can be launched 24 hours a day. Morale in the AF has been sinking for years with cheating scandals and sexual assaults a norm even at the academy. The Air Force’s mssion needs to be reevaluated in light of present day combat missions. The Navy seems to have the upper hand because of its ability to move personell and ships to the area of confrontation at a moment’s notice carrying its own planes, softening targets with large guns, supply by sea and a land force of Marines. Very versatile, more so than the other forces. Its submarines can clear sea lanes and provide protection for the ships. The AF seems to more geared to domestic action on US soil.

          • csaiah92

            I knew it wouldn’t take long for the Navy Department’s internet bloggers to hone in on this AF controversy. Lets get this straight! An admiral is in command of STRATCOM! That is the problem!!! You are sadly informed about the Air Force’s role in the WOT. AF Intelligence, Surveillance & Reconnaisance Service w/ Operation Golden Goose FOUND OBL, not the Navy SEALS. The CIA and DIA confirmed the location. According to interviewed captured Taliban their top two most feared weapons were the AF AC-130 Spooky gunships and the B-52’s. The SEALS were not even mentioned!!! As for your Navy CAS missions, they require at least four air refuelings (most performed by antiquated AF 130’s 135’s and 10’s.) just to get to and from Afghanistan. Their loiter time is zilch! Let me quote an Army General, “Godammit!! We’ve had special units like the Rangers and SEALS for decades, but only the Air Force Special Operators, with their precision targeting and massive firepower, have brought anything new to the battlefield.” Go below sailor. You’ve been hit on the head by bales of Navy PR too many times.

          • NJHuguenot

            I stand by my observations. The AF is an overpriced luxury. When is the last time a B-52 performed in the Middle East? Asked today I’d bet those people are more afraid of Drones since we no longer carpet bomb. General’s name and particular theater?

          • csaiah92

            Just as I thought-the prerequisite for joining the Navy is to be deaf, dumb and blind. B-52’s operating from Diego Garcia do most of the antipiracy recons of the Indian Ocean. Better radar!!! They also do CAS, like supporting Rangers and AF Commandos in Dary-al-Suf Valley and bailing out the SEALS in Anaconda. They do it quite frequently as a matter of fact-just refer to Pcf Bradley Manning’s Wikileaks Afghan war logs-what? you mean the Army Department had 1200 more successful operations than the SEALS and Marines. Go read just one of the 274+ books, written by or about the SEALS and you’ll realize Seamen Endeavoring to Act Like Soldiers, have no place on a landlocked battlefield,other than for PR purposes. By the way when was the last time America’s premier amphibuous force made an amphibuous landing or its force for good engaged in a naval battle with the Afghan Navy? Carpet bombing? Ever heard of GPO’s or GPU’s? Air Force drones at that! They’re cheaper allowing us to spend more on our golf courses.

      • rnw

        Fred116 you are right on. this come from an ex Titan II missile combat crew member. There is pride in these jobs.

        • majorg1000

          You have dated yourself and have been out of the LCC for over 30 years. There WAS pride in our jobs when we did it; and I would guess there still is, but it is not the same. When we were on crew, we had a mission and a Command (SAC) which valued our service. Since the loss of SAC, the Alert Force has been devalued and compartmentalized. There is no incentive for advancement within the career field, and Senior Commanders have been cherry picked for Command Billets based on filling a square rather than competence and credibility. Fred116 is DEAD WRONG. The President has nothing to do with the 13 individuals caught using drugs, nor the 92 caught cheating at Malmstrom. That is a problem endemic at the wing level, and above, but certainly within the breadth and depth of the Air Force, not out of it.

          • Gary Church

            They are just going to keep spamming this site so no one can discuss anything. I suggest you do what I am doing and just keep posting replies telling them to go away. If you want; or just quit this article as I am going to do in a few minutes. This sucks; it is why I hate conservatives.

          • p38l5

            Hate people just because they disagree on a site about cheating around Nukes? Please, take a chill pill.

          • Mark

            Real people have come here!, we are sick of your HUFFING BS, you stems want
            no open discussion Your way or banded , that’s why we are here to speak freely
            with out your censorship

          • majorg1000

            Too bad you aren’t one of the “real People”.

          • jeanette18411

            Gary, you must have been the biggest whiner in the Air Force; after all the problem is just not the Cheating; or being asleep during their shift; but, losing Nuke’s or flying across the country with “Live” loads; now if you want to blame that on ‘Conservatives’ then so be it; but at least bring some cheese for your whine!!!

          • squidgod_the_unbannable_2.0

            He’s not blaming the Right for the Air Force issues–he’s blaming them for coming here and taking a big shit all over the comments section, which is usually just some simple input or non-partisan wonk talk amongst DoD and industry professionals.

          • jimbob22

            Atta boy, Gary…..if they don’t agree with you, screw them..

          • CMSGTUSAFRET

            majorg1000***Fred 116 is actually spot-on. It would appear that Majorg1000 has forgotten the rudimentary chain of command and Military mission statement. Political double talk and sissy politics of the clicky pencil pushing commissioned Officers is whats out of control. Try doing your jobs and what your told to do instead of worrying about your personal advancements as career pencil pushers might help…your commission is to the defense and protection of the nation, not advancement of your personal ranks. You are not in a cut throat private sector corporation so start honoring your oath of service and pull your panties up. All this sissy political crap gives my Air Force a bad name…The President has every thing to do with the proper command and control as Commander and chief…Period. The buck stops right at his door…and the policies he develops towards the honorable men and women he directs. This good for nothing so-called maggot that inhabits the White House is responsible for what Military functions take place…all the political double talk in your arsenal can’t alleviate the commander in chief’s ultimate responsibilities. Your a soldier and an Airmen…you do what’s asked of you…so take your eyes off those Generals stars and put them back on your job and we’ll all be better off.

          • lastniceguy1 .

            Sounds like it has become a capitalist air force.
            What became of “if women were running thing we wouldn’t have all these problems.

          • Nemo

            Russia already knows where all our nuclear sites are located so as to cause massive fires, explosions and deaths weakening the nation’s readiness! Her spies have done their homework. Let’s see what a female can do with that.

          • Thomas Reece

            A woman is running the AF

          • Mitch

            Oh, please. The problem has been identified, partly, as micromanagement by commanders, yet you want the CINC to micromanage this wing?

          • Jarbaby54

            Gosh CMSGT, stop being so wishy-washy and say what you really think!
            Semper Fi, Jarbaby54

          • majorg1000

            Bullshit, Chief. First of all, I am retired. Second, I am a veteran of two wars, probably much like yourself. The Presisdent isn’t doing anything that President Bush, and every other President has done before him. Get your shit in one sock. If you honestly believe that I didn’t do my job, or that my career advancement overrode mt committment to my country, you are not only mistaken, but stupid as well. Perhaps it is time for you to start following orders instead of making traitorous remarks against your nation, your Commander In Chief, and the Chain of command that, even though you have attained the highest enlisted rank, have somehow failed to grasp.
            During my time in service, I helped five Seniors make Chief…you would not have been one of them.

          • libhunter

            W was our last legal POTUS.

          • majorg1000

            Wrong again. You should probably stop while you can; before someone embarrasses you by asking for the proof you have no way of providing.

          • libhunter

            Ignorant lib have friends from S. Africa that went to Mombasa Kenya General provincial Hospital to see his porn mom and Arab Muslim dad with new born Barry pictures on wall, have his B Cert 2.

          • bozozozo

            uh, was he?

            only by the grace of the Supreme Court, who trampled on Florida’s states rights to stop their recount.

            if the Florida recount had been allowed to continue, he would not have been POTUS, it’s likely the dead and maimed we suffered in Iraq would still be alive and unmaimed (including un-TBI’d and un PTSD’d), and the Middle East would be a lot more stable, since we would still have Saddam’s Iraq as a counter against Iran.

            and we would not have shifted out warfighters from Afghanistan to Iraq, and we probably have caught bin Laden much sooner than we did.

          • MiguelMaceda09

            The article did not say that 92 were cheating, it said that only a few cheated, but many knew and did not expose them. And why should they? Take a bit of time to analyze this please. If you feared the jack asses over you to be rate you if you did not have a perfect score, you too might have been led to do the same. People make mistakes and in this case, what they did was not affecting their job as they would not be there if not capable of doing the job. They all had been investigated back to actions in elementary school besides adult life to get TSC clearances to qualify to do the job and be very bright, so these men and women are not slackers. If you had been stationed at that base as i was, you would see the crap they are and were subjected to that was and is so petty and they as officers and career minded patriots should be given a break and those over them be the ones reprimanded. I remember when we had a code change there and it was a disaster because of command, Too many missiles were scheduled at the same time and we had a huge number go off line and the best thing was that the commanding general there at Malmstrom got busted….

          • Lockheed Martin
        • harvey

          Pride is the problem. blind pride and attitude and ego run things. Drop the damned knee jerk pride and learn intelligence and common sense and vision that looks beyond you askeered of every fool with a bomb. Did you know they tried to drop a nuke on south carolina? and one of the generals fired was one who made sure it was detonated 600 miles off the coast? oh thats right you cant listen to things that askeer you. Pride is Nothing! Intelligence honesty and true concern is what works not this stupid pride at command bull.

          • YellowRoseofTx

            “What is “askeer”?? Is that a real word?

          • Peakytop

            harvey, you are so misinformed as to the nuke and South Carolina that you had better do some factual research. And it was NEVER detonated !

          • harvey

            i dont have to do any research I think a senior counsel for the world bank knows what they are talking about a 9 state regional directors for the fbi knows what they are talking about i cant help it you are part of the herd say moooooo!

          • jimbob22

            Harvey, my man. You are woefully lacking when it comes to facts. First of all, no one tried to drop a nuke on SC. In 1958, a nuke was accidentally dropped near Florence, SC. Never detonated because of the numerous safety switches that were not activated. The second incident was near Tybee Island In Ga. of the same year when a nuke was released after a midair between a B47 and a F86. The nuke was never found. No nuke was ever detonated of the US coastline. The rest of your post is what is commonly known as “rambling”.

        • harvey

          Whatever happened to responsibility? Pride blinds pride before a fall. too much knee jerk pride in the entire goverment and military and not enough sense. Every commander cept the few good ones is out to force his blind commands and do it cause im yer commanding officer you just dont know the filth thats trying to bring the american family down. Wake up son your pride wont do a damned thing but puff up your head.

          • Gary Church

            You have no history on this site. How were you alerted to attack this forum? Why are you attacking an open forum with no moderator?

          • p38l5

            What?

        • ajarianne

          Sure mw – “pride”? Not anymore and it isn’t Obama’s fault. Every time he want’s to get rid of someone and replace them – seems Congress put it all out there for us. Can’t fault the video. They said what they said. No more “pride” – just a lot of cheatin’ and lyin’ and fornicating apparently.

        • PEARL

          THIS CIVILIAN LIVED WITHIN A FEW SHORT MILES OF THOSE TITAN SITES, I VISITED WHEN THEY WERE NO LONGER IN USE.I, REMEMBER THE AMERICAN PRIDE I HAD. IS EVERY THING SACRED LOSS.

      • shirley

        close your robe, you drunken swine

        • Gary Church

          You have no history on this site. How were you alerted to attack this
          forum? Why are you attacking an open forum with no moderator? Why are you spamming a site for discussing defense issues?

          • harvey

            why do you skip your meds? Why do you have parnioa over someone speaking what they know? Why do you make baseless ignorant accusations? Why do you use spamming as if thats whats being done jerkboy? try reading the article with some brains other than that go sit on mommys lap on the porch. You aint big enough to play in the yard let alone with men

          • p38l5

            What?

          • squidgod_the_unbannable_2.0

            This happens every month or two when articles from here get passed around the right-wing blog-o-clusterfuck. Just roll with it.

      • harvey

        Obama is being controlled. You boys need to stop being racists and REALLY INVESTIGATE You couldnt handle what i know but you will see whats comming due to the herd mentality and trying to just point the fingers at who the media tells you too. Hopefully you dont live in New york Los angeles or london or tel aviv.

        • YellowRoseofTx

          You are a scary guy, Harvey. Oliver Stone conspiracy theorist much? Put your tin foil hat back on, go back down to your Mom’s basement and hideout. There, you feel better already don’t you?

          • that gentleman over there

            Hey, hey! No. that’s my hiding place. I love basements. Especially the sound proof ones.

          • harvey

            No people like you are the scary people too afraid to be honest too afraid to speak up. My information comes from high sources friend stop listening to fox news and calling everyone conspiracy theorists because you cant handle what they know. no you do asswipe. but then you havent met vice presidents or spoken to 9 state regional directors for the FBI or spoken to heads of the united states marshalls office. I will feel better when pansie assed weaklings shut their mouths instead of yammering their wek mealy mouthed opinions based on the fear they pee their pants over.

          • p38l5

            Ah, you mean the Senior Supervisory Marshalls? And what do they have to do with Nukes now? I worked with Marshalls, FBI etc, 30 years as an LEO, AND helped guard Nukes in Minot. Could you please be more focused?

          • lastniceguy1 .

            psst, he’s talking about the UFO’s hiding deep in the oceans.

          • jimbob22

            Harvey, do you get many visitors?

        • billy baker

          The only ones who controll the anointed one is Goldman Sachs and the Saudis.

      • Gary Church

        This is an open forum with no moderator for discussing defense issues. Not a right wing garbage dump. Go away.

        • jimbob22

          Gary, you need to stay on the Huffpost.

        • http://www.breakingdefense.com/ Colin Clark

          Actually, I’m the moderator. Sadly, when a story gets picked up by a site like AOL or Fox it is impossible for me to keep up with the flow of comments and do my other jobs. Some of you will have noticed your comments did not appear or have been deleted. That’s me at work. Personal attacks are grounds for banning from the site and we do and we have. So please keep the discussion as rational, fact-based and high-toned as is humanly possible. Thank you. The Editor.

      • Anthony Goldsmith

        As scandal after scandal rocks the USAF’s Strategic Air Command a lot of people are noe trolling the internet stating that President Obama is responsible for the low morale in SAC or that he is manufacturing these scandals to “destroy America.” These sorts of opinions are not only silly, reactive dangerous hate pablum, but show that the people spreading the lies are grossly uninformed about modern startegic warfare. The bomber wings of the SAC spent most of the last decade and a half droping bombs on tribesmen in Iraq and Afghanistan. Their origninal mission was to stand guard and be razor ready to react so that the USSR knew we could have our bombers in the air before the USSR’s missiles landed at our air bases and on our missile silos. Those days have been over since the end of the USSR..The crews in the ICBM silos have largely pointless jobs as there is no realistic threat of any enemy launching a massive counter force first strike against scores of targets in the Continental USA. SAC bomber crews have become load haulers, going after targets that don’t have air defenses of any kind. Our B 52s are older than many senior officers in the USAF and could never penetrate Russian or Chinese air space. The B-1 is also largely useless as its design as a fast low level penetrator was made obsolete by modern early warning aircraft and effective “look down” radar. The B-2 would still work if our target was Iran but it is never going to get through the air defenses of a major power. And despite all cowboy dreams and hopes to the contrary, the next generation bombers will be piloted by today’s best teen aged video gamers – not hot shot pilots. Aviation and command and control technology will soon make the human factor the weakest and most expensive link in a combat aircraft. Our real strategic nuclear force is now in the Navy’s fleet of Trident II armed nuclear missile submarines. They still have a terrifying first strike or second strike capability. Each of these subs carry 24 missiles (each with 8 warheads that can hit seperate targets). To date, we beleive they still can’t be tracked effectively and are able to hit targets within 10-20 minutes from launch just about anywhere in the world. Meanwhile, the real strategic threats we face today are: (1) attacks against our electrical infrastructure with a very few nuclear weapons exploded in the high atmosphere; (2) cyberwarfare and (3) biological warfare. Any of those very real threats can kill as many Americans as a full 1960s style nuclear attack. The last two of those threats could be undertaken without us ever really knowing who to “nuke” in retaliation. Congress won’t allocate funds to adeqautely protect against these threats and the Pentagon isn’t really interested in having its new “elite” being video gamers, engineers hardening the elctrical grid or people in lab coats developing a massive, state of the art vaccine production capacity. It is aximoatic that political and military establishments of larger nations have a very bad history of defending antiqauted but “traditional” militray roles, strategies and weapons systems despite the fact they weaken rather than manitain national security. The nuclear “trident” of our submarines, nuclear bombers and ICBMS was designed in the 1950s. It is a Maginot Line level error of strategic thinking and opposing it it is still very risky for politicians and younger officers. The hyper expensive carrier based surafce warfare navy is no longer survivable in a war with another major power. The truth is we could defend against real world threats like cyberwarfare, EMP weapons and biowarfare, still retain a world ending nuclear retailatory force and protect America at a fraction of the cost we now spend keeping antiquated, vulnerable and hyper expensive weapons systems alive and funded.

    • mykecusa

      Sounds like are talking about Bush and Cheney.

      • mike

        I wondered how long it would take to move the posting to blame it on Bush. This administration has politicized the military more than any other. They have the same respect that the clinton administration had for the military–none!

        • majorg1000

          That is just not true. Show us your facts…give us a link. My guess is you won’t, because you can’t.

          • cherokee1934

            Show us your notes on the matter.

    • Gary Goettlicher

      Are you a complete idiot, one thing is for sure and that is you do not know “Jacksh— about the Military…. Our Commander in Chief does not need to have “Punks”” like you trying to analyze what the Secretary of the Air force should do or not do…BZ

      • jimbob22

        I think you mean “Commander in Joke”.

    • Lee McKinnon

      No, this is the CinC cleaning up still more mess left over. This isn’t something that just started.

    • harvey

      It just isnt obama if you really observe these things then you know its been par for the course for decades. Obama isnt in control as no president has been in control. Listen to Karen Hudes. Senior counsel for the world bank for 20 years and yale law grauduate.

    • Felicia

      Do you blame everything on President Obama? This is nothing new, their behavior is now in the open.
      President Obama is a great family man, which is more than I can say for some of the Generals!

      • Sparticlistic

        I do not blame everything on Obama. However, I do assign blame for everything that happens in the military, and to military personnel, on Obama, as Commander in Chief. Even more than like the Captain of a ship, he HAS TOTAL AUTHORITY AND TOTAL RESPONSIBLE for everything that happens ON HIS WATCH, the good, the bad and the ugly.
        Anyone who has served, or is in the military, in a command position would understand military authority and responsibility and what happens to you, and your career, when things go bad on your WATCH, regardless of why.

    • YellowRoseofTx

      This has NOTHING to do with the “Commander in Chief.” It has to do with personal pride and responsibility. Each of those people made a decision to cheat, break the regs and perform their duty in a dishonorable way. The responsibility lies entirely on their shoulders. They all knew better, but decided to do the wrong thing (or take the easy way out) because after all if no one is looking cheating and lying are okay, right? At least until you get caught. So, responsibility is theirs, just as consequences are theirs.

      • eugene

        You are on the right track. I was in the air force for 21 years and worked for a commander in 1964 that went into a base and fired 7 officers who were involved in a key club that exchanged wives for sexual treats. This was a moral problem. Do think our moral standing today is what an it should be if every one puts promotion over doing your job and willing to cheat to get it. We do need better moral teaching as part of our education and training.

        • YellowRoseofTx

          First, everyone doesn’t put promotion above doing their job and not everyone is willing to cheat to get it. This was a small group of people — hardly qualifies as everyone.

          Second, yes, certainly education in morals, integrity and leadership would be beneficial from the beginning of service continuing through all levels: enlisted and officers alike, and required regardless of years of service or rank. All would benefit from continuing education on morals, honesty, integrity and leadership.

          • majorg1000

            Well said.

        • NJHuguenot

          How do you do that when chapel attendance is no longer a part of the academy life? The old ring knockers were honorable men. I don’t see that in them any more.

      • Sparticlistic

        I have to agree. Unfortunately our society, schools, government, legal system is teaching our youth today that duty, honor, country, religion, responsibility, pride, integrity, the rule of law, are somewhat old fashioned ideas, like our Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
        Our leaders in authority show/tell us this “Progressive” thinking every day. Even our U.S. Attorney General and our President, told us recently that if they do not like a law they will not enforce it. So much for the oath they took to enforce our laws.
        It seems today the ends justify the means, if you can get away with it.
        It is sad, but the military has no choice but to recruit these brainwashed youth from our general society/population,
        So having a good example does matter/help.

        • YellowRoseofTx

          I agree with you, to a point. It is up to families, churches, and teachers to set examples young people can follow and aspire toward.

          It is easy to blame everything on society, schools, government and the legal system (heck, let’s even thrown in mass media, movies and video games), but really it is on us, the adults in the lives of these young people.

          Not all of the young people being recruited are scum bags. Many are very well-intentioned and want to serve (just like we did and do). And for some young people, the military is place that changes their lives — for the better.

          Let’s not paint all of America’s youth with the same brush. There are lots of young people with good examples, good standards, and desire to serve and achieve.

          • Sparticlistic

            I can’t agree more. Well said.

    • Gerry

      commander IN chief, you moron.

    • Gary Church

      Obama knew yo Momma, go away

      How did you get alerted to attack this open forum? You have no history on this site.

    • Gary Church

      What does your right wing garbage have to do with nuclear weapons? Ass

      • Sparticlistic

        “You need to get that
        Isolation Aphasia, also known as Mixed Transcortical Aphasia, treated as soon
        as possible. It is a type of disturbance in language skills that causes the
        inability to comprehend what is being said to you or the difficulty in creating
        speech with meaning without affecting the ability to recite what has been said
        and to acquire newly presented words. This type of aphasia is caused by brain
        damage that isolates the parts of the brain from other parts of the brain that
        are in charge of speech.The brain damages are caused to left temporal/parietal
        cortex that spares the Wernicke’s area. Isolation aphasia patients can repeat
        what other people say, thus they do recognize words but they can’t comprehend
        the meaning of what they hear and REPEAT THEMSELVES. However, they can not
        produce meaningful speech of their own.”

    • Gary Church

      Over 200 comments and climbing fast; there is something about this article that is attracting these losers. Must be “Obama.” This is an open forum with no moderator for discussing defense issues. Not a right wing garbage dump. Go away.

      • YellowRoseofTx

        If this is an open forum for discussing issues with no moderator, what makes YOU think you have the right to tell people to go away and verbally attack them. Appears that YOU are the troll/spammer now.

    • Gary Church

      This is an open forum with no moderator for discussing defense issues. Not a right wing garbage dump. Go away!

      • joettecb

        Gary, you are a rude, nasty SOB who is full of anger and hostility of unknown origin. I suggest that you stop leaving comments while your brain and judgment are impaired. No one wants to read them. Take your venom someplace else!

        • YellowRoseofTx

          You keep saying this is an open forum, but you are the one being hostile and aggressive. Everyone has a right to their opinion… you, Gary, all of us.

      • jimbob22

        Hey, Gary….like to cut and paste…do you?

    • Gary Church

      You have no history on this site. How were you alerted to attack this
      forum? Why are you attacking an open forum with no moderator?! Why are you spamming a site for discussing defense issues?

      • Sparticlistic

        Gary, What are you smoking? Who and how am I attacking anyone or any forum? You need to get back on your meds.
        I stated facts about our incompetent Commander in Chief, who is suppose to be setting//practicing the highest standards/examples of duty, honor and country, for all military personnel. His actions directly impact ALL defense issues. Verification of any of my stated attributes of the Commander in Chief, and the devastating,measurable, end result he and his policies have had on military personnel, can be Googled at any time.
        Keep drinking that KoolAid.

    • Gary Church

      I have gone down the list and found a dozen people so far with no history on this site and with just a few comments on other sites like CNN. This is an attack on the people who regularly engage in discussion on this site. This is an attack on our right to free speech. We are being spammed and jammed. We are under attack.

    • Truth

      Idiots and empty heads blame Obama for everything. I have never seen such ignorance any way on Earth! One fool after another blame Obama for everything, including not being able to pay their rents or poo. Obama is not responsible for your ignorance and illiteracy

      • Sparticlistic

        What are you smoking? He is Commander in Chief TOTALLY REPSONISBLE FOR THE MILITARY…NOBODY ELSE TO BLAME. PLUS: After over 10 years, in 2 wars, Obama knew that all military personnel/their families were incredibly stressed out, from long/repeated/deadly tours of duty, STILL, Obama inflicts his
        sexual/social engineering experiments on the American military. The RESULTS of his experiments have been devastating.
        Caused the highest number of
        suicides (double) in military history..
        Caused the highest number of
        yearly divorces in military history .
        Caused the highest number of PTSD
        cases in military history.
        Caused the highest number of
        sexual assaults and rapes against men AND women in the history of the military.
        Forced the largest number of
        officers/commanders out of the military during any Commander in Chiefs term.
        Stabbed the military in the back by offering at Sequester
        negotiations that 50% of Sequester cuts would be taken by the military.
        Demanded the mention of God be taken out of the Air Force
        Academy oath.
        Demanded Pentagon make plans to close most military stores
        critical to soldiers and their families.
        What has the Commander in Chief done, ON HIS WATCH, to
        reverse this ongoing, terrible destruction of our military society? NOTHING.
        God help/save our Military personnel and their families
        from YOU, your peeps and this incompetent and/or diabolical President

    • ajarianne

      Spasmoticcolon – Obama? All because of him? Ahuh. Yeah, sure. OK. So all the IDIOTS Obama hasn’t been able to replace have NOTHING to do with the people who are STILL our misileers? “Undue fear”? “Cheating on tests”? “Having affairs”? Fine. Live in Colorado do ya? Figured.

  • Ron

    The only reason she is the Airforce Secretary is she is a woman, She certainly doesn’t have any qualifications that would place her is such a position. So this is what we get when we try to dumb down the requirements to be sure we are politically correct, a bunch of cheaters & misfits. Great job people.

    • Gary Church
      • Gary Goettlicher

        With all of your Military background, I am sure that we should listen to a fool…..BZ

    • Ronald Zelman

      You’re correct. That’s why she is qualified to work closely with our President whom has the same qualifications.

      • Anthony Romeo Jr.

        Prussia, give up already.

        • Ronald Zelman

          You must be one of those black persons obama promised to help. How’s that working out for you?

          • majorg1000

            You must be a bigot, and an uneducated racist. You have no place in this forum.

        • Ronald Zelman

          Romeo; you are a misguided negro.

      • majorg1000

        You are probably living under the misconception that the President as the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, should have a military background. There is a reason our Constitution has placed these positions firmly in the hands of civilian authority rather than the military.
        Our government is of the People, for the People and by the People, not in spite of it.

        • mike

          The president should know the differences between the services at least. Not sure this group of amateurs knows.

        • Ronald Zelman

          The President, whom is the Commander and Chief of the Military ” should”, in my opinion, have a military background. A Fire Captain should have experience as a fireman. A newspaper editor, etc. In our case I do not believe we have a President that is ‘for’ the People. He is only for himself.

          • majorg1000

            That is your opinion, nothing else. It certainly has no basis in fact…or in the Constitution of the United States. Thank God.

          • Ronald Zelman

            Yes, I stated it is “my opinion.” Learn how to read with the intent to understand.

          • majorg1000

            Are you completely stupid, or just thick? Your “opinion” means nothing. Not to me, not to the people of the United States, and not to the Constitution which governs our great land.

          • Ronald Zelman

            I suggest you go back to the kitchen where you belong.

          • majorg1000

            Go back to your Klan. There is no place for you here.

          • Ronald Zelman

            Well, I was taught not to argue with angry, old, women. so I’ll leave you here, majorg.

          • majorg1000

            Good, it’s about time you learned your place, pinhead.

          • Ronald Zelman

            :)

          • cherokee1934

            The trouble seems to be that we have many many people that are making an extra effort to take us down to the bottom rung of the Ladder.

          • cherokee1934

            The bummer has always been for himself and he seems to be for taking this Country……him and his Socialist masters.

          • Ronald Zelman

            I believe that’s true, cherokee

          • joettecb

            …Not “whom”! The president does not have a military background, so get over it. Some of these military guys are total assholes and hawks; we would be at war constantly!

          • YellowRoseofTx

            We have been at war constantly. We go from one crisis to another all over the world.

          • Ronald Zelman

            The ‘President.’ Some are assholes and some are not. Our President is not qualified for the job. That’s for sure.

        • jimbob22

          I would hope he had some background in something. A community organizer doesn’t cut it. A US Senator the started campaigning after only 18 months in office doesn’t cut it either. Of course all of this is showing up now.

    • mykecusa

      You seem under educated to the idea that the military is but an instrument of national policy. The Secretary needs to be capable of managing a large organization effectively and not a attacking a bunker, or setting up an ambush in the jungle. I’d wager you probably fit into the category ‘Liars, Cheats and Thieves’, as do all humans. It is just a matter of getting found out, or not.

    • Gary Goettlicher

      Words from the mouth of a stupid man, is are “BOY”” here Ron…You do not know her credentials except she is a Woman, and Bas—=– like you just can’t stand it when women are placed in these Positions….BZ

    • bozozozo

      so you think this all started on her watch?

      exactly what are the qualifications you think you need to have to be Secretary of the Air Force?

      and do you think that the culture of the Service really reflects that of the Service Secretary?

  • Paul P. Valtos

    I don’t suppose that the General in charge of the missile force said “No excuse Sir”. As with the Air Force when Vietnam surfaced. There were many field grade officers and I assume Flag officers who were unqualified as commanders or there was an exodus of field grade officers and the company grades had to fill in. Yup I was one of them.

    • majorg1000

      The General in charge of the missile force, General Carey, was fired for his recent transgressions in Russia several months ago.

      • Gary Goettlicher

        So, do you know why?? His firing was because of getting involved with Women when he was to drunk to stand up…..BZ

        • majorg1000

          I an well acquanted with why he was fired. It also shows not only a lack of leadership, but a lack of judgement for a man who is commanding our Nuclear Forces.

          • jimbob22

            How about firing Holder for the same reasons, or Sebelius? Or the IRS dude?

    • Gary Goettlicher

      What was the name of your Command or Company that you supposedly Commanded…Prove that you were a Commander, because people are not going to believe you, At the peak of the Vietnam War there was 750,000 plus Military Serving in Vietnam and they all could not have been Idiots as you are trying to Portray.. I Will be looking forward to the Name of the Division you were assigned to so I can check you out….BZ

      • jimbob22

        Actually, Mr Expert, the forces in Vietnam peaked in 1969 at 543,000.

  • Charles Manson

    It starts from the top down.

    • Ronald Zelman

      That’s correct. The speed of the leader is the speed of the pack.

    • bozozozo

      I think more depends on who your heroes are, Chuck

  • Terry Jones

    Par for the course in “Obama’s America.”

    • Majorg1000

      Where exactly did you serve?

  • troll96

    I was in the Air Force for 20+ years and will say the quality of officers/commanders over the progression of my career steadily declined. This scandal among others in the Air Force is indicative of a bigger problem with the Air Force. Qualified leadership in charge of bases. I will use an example of a USAF general telling me in a war environment that he selected an officer to be a unit commander, for the first time down range, because he liked him and he was his protocol officer.

  • Anthony Romeo Jr.

    “Microexpressions”

    Dukakis is a verve, I vernacular, for vherves, undescided.

    Conversations losing touch before the valves seem to set;
    Into place.

    Bestiary ingenuity and goggles, like OLDE time Ragnarock.

    Ivory sobes,’ goblets to fill in the arsine gossamer.

    Last to act, and first, to chevron the last of minuets.

    Intercedes. The Practical Peace. Finished.

    “Businessed.”

    • Dave

      Eloquently said. I, for one, am up to my sobes with the arsine vherves being businessed here. Ragnarok on, Romeo.

  • Gary Church

    I wonder if this is going to melt down like Zumwalt class comment thread did with over 800 conservative idiot “comments.” What garbage. Who released the right wing flying monkey corps?

    • mike

      What are you babbling about?

    • jimbob22

      Gary, you need to learn to live with conservatives who are all idiots. Not everyone can be a pseudo intellectual like you.

  • Buzzhawk

    On the other hand, if one was going to purge the top brass in the nuke program this would make a nice cover story.

    • James

      You nailed it, Buzz.

    • majorg1000

      You don’t purge the “Top Brass” by eliminating the junior officers. The “Nuke Program” as you put it is not something that can be infiltrated, subverted, or bulldozed into a hole in the ground. Some very junior officers have made some very bad choices and will face the requisite reprimands for their actions. Those in the Senior Leadership positions will be fired as the chain of responsibility warrents. No more, no less. Whether right or wrong, responsibility lies with those charged with overseeing the competence and reliability of the Nuclear Forces. It has nothing to do with Soviet style purges, or leftist takeovers. Take your conspiracy theories elsewhere.

      • Buzzhawk

        I see. Well this is a good thing then. Even though the federal government has trashed the Constitution, Barry is writing his own laws, congress has no power, the courts are becoming international, the military is all over the world doing God knows what, thousand of enlisted are “dying” for their country is wars for who knows what, Wall Street is rigged, US dollars are shit, US reputation is shit, much of the food is GMO, the water is fluoridated, chem-trails are being released into the air, but by God the Air Force is getting all those bad “junior officers” cleaned out of the “Nuke Program”. I was in too “Major” and military or not people are people and its not very hard to subvert people or set them up. But I am sure the “Top Brass” in the military industrial complex would never setup its own. No wait, because it is my understanding that the big “O” himself, weeks ago, MADE THE DECISION to get rid of these guys saying he had a lack of confident in them and we all know disagreeing with Barry is racist. So maybe this is a start in the right direction and the federal government is finally turning things around. I stand corrected, Sir, no “Soviet style purges” going on here or anything else and most certainly – NO CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

        • majorg1000

          Do you actually listen to yourself, or do you just spout whatever comes into that lump of brown matter that serves as your brain?

          • Buzzhawk

            Major, can you tell me what happened to nuke Major General Carey back in December 19, 2013? And, is a major general a junior officer?

      • jimbob22

        How come no one gets fired that works for Obama??

  • disqus_dBd5FUcNWw

    This constitutes a very dangerous situation for the entire world. With all of these new inexperienced men on the job things can go wrong quickly and could lead to some catastrophic mishap sending scores of multiple warhead rockets hurtling toward Pakistan with no way to stop them. This is terrifying !!

    • majorg1000

      We train and evaluate all Missile Crewmembers under very strict guidelines and very narrow perameters. The experience level of the men and women who command our missile forces while on alert has not changed in the over 60 years we have had these weapon systems. What has changed is the mission, and career progression for those junior officers pulling missile alert. There are numerous safeguards and redundant safety failsafes that are built into the system to preclude from happening what you have stated. The fact is, we did find those misfits who made it into the system, and thay have been eliminated.

    • Gary Goettlicher

      Bozo the Strategic Air Command does not allow things like that to take place, No one person can launch Missiles, the Strategic Air Command has safeguards against that, you must be watching some Old movies….BZ

  • maxovrdriv

    as if obama could care less. What a leader, thats all I can say

    • majorg1000

      You base your specious argument on what, exactly?

      • maxovrdriv

        it could be how he has treated the military, most of our leaders don’t pre-set ending dates of wars, he botched the exit in iraq, he is planning on cutting an entire carrier group, has cut veterans benefits, oh I don’t know. What exactly has he done for the military, other than parade some poor guy out the other night to make us think he cares or does anything. Been to a VA hospital lately, it is horrible.

        • mike

          Well said friend!

        • Gary Goettlicher

          The reason for that is the Republicans cutting the Budget to the VA for Equipment to update the records…BZ

          • jimbob22

            DUH/////// you always ask for facts…. where are they?

    • Gary Goettlicher

      Please give us your resume in leadership qualities that you have….I expect your answer will be “”NONE””…BZ

      • maxovrdriv

        managing partner in a law firm of 17 employees. And other than drinking the kool aid what is yours?

        • majorg1000

          We have extricated, or are in the prcess of extricating ourselves from our misguided involvement in the Middle East…in other words, he has “brought the troops home”. That may not mean much to you, but to the rest of America, especially the soldier who has been over extended and under supplied, it means a lot. He has not cut Veteran’s Benefits, by law, they are irremediable. There have been no further attacks by Middle Eastern Islamists on the US during his tenure, and while we are talking about the VA Hospitals…had you been to any during the the Bush Administration? They were just as bad as they are now, if not worse. Now tell me, oh ye who hast never served, who is drinking the kool aid?

          • YellowRoseofTx

            Brought the troops home? He’s brought some home (put on a dog and pony show), but they are still deploying. What planet do you live on? There are thousands still there. You are certifiable.

          • majorg1000

            “In the process of” Please read for comprehension. We are on the same side,

          • YellowRoseofTx

            I wouldn’t say we’re on the same side. I may agree with SOME of your comments, but you are nasty and think you are the moderator. Your snide comments are not witty or necessary.

          • jimbob22

            Have another glass…

  • Dan Crabtree

    diversity plays some role in all of these problems…..as in any situation anymore you must accept and deal with un-qualified personel be it in the military or in civillian.life..all in the name of diversity…..

    • majorg1000

      I have never read such unmittigated manure about our military as what you have just written. My guess is that that Mr. Crabtree hasn’t served a day in his life.

      • mike

        Well I have and Crabtree is correct to a point. We all have to deal with unqualified people who are put there for a specific reason, be it campaign contributor, diversity or affirmative action or just a friend of a friend. It happens every day–you just put up with it and do what you have to do to get the job done.

        • Richard Kiene

          Man,you hit the nail RIGHT on the head.

        • majorg1000

          Since you have obviously never served, and do not know how the military operates, your remark is specious and ignorant.

          • jimbob22

            Are you married to Gary?

          • mike

            Suggest you pull your head out of your a$$. How dare you accuse me of never serving. US Army, 1965-1969, Went to work for DoD as soon as I got out and right back to Vietnam (military one full tour plus two extensions as I was an interrogator) for another two years. Was in Grenada, Panama, Iraq anD Afghanistan. Where were you? You need to settle your a$$ down because people have differing opinions to yours and you may or may not be right. Also suggest that you quit demanding proof when you offer none yourself. In closing, 2 Purple Hearts and a silver star for me, what about you?

      • jimbob22

        Does it matter that Mr. Crabtree has served? I thought you took the position that the President need not have served to be able to lead the entire military.

  • Gary Church

    Yes, for some reason this thread is getting nuked by conservatives just like that Zumwalt one did a couple months ago. What is going on? Who summons the evil when this happens? What a bunch of jerks.

    • shirley

      They’re not “Conservatives” – that’s just a nice name they give themselves. They are merely narcisissistic sociopaths with small penis complexes. They are constipated misers, selfish egotists who hate to pay taxes to the country that gives them everything. They are callous, ignorant, unfeeling, stingy, pathologically anti-social hemhorroids who like to dress up in uniforms and swagger around with their penile extensions they refer to as “firearms.” They tout the constitution and the bible incessantly while remaining blissfully ignorant of the nuances intrinsic to both. they are stupid AND evil, and they call themselves “Republicans.”

  • bill

    The cheating was only because that is what they are taught by the people running our government. Seems to me they are just trying to be good students is all.

    • majorg1000

      That is certainly not true, or we would have seen similar incidents every time there was a Democratic President, from Truman through today. The officers who cheated are college educated adults, and are responsible for their actions. To believe otherwise is uneducated and insulting to those of us who have done this job in the past, are proud of our service, and who did the job without resorting to drugs, or cheating. Your argument is specious and ignorant, and shows you to be an uneducated bigot.

    • Gary Goettlicher

      Ask Hole, the subject is about 37 people who broke the Military Code out of Millions in the Military….One day you will realize that Ask Holes like you are able to spew your Rhetoric because of what are Military has done so you have the Freedom of Speech, in my opinion you should not have that right, but I do not have that authority, but I sure can speak out about fools like you…..Get A Life….BZ

  • bigred8690

    ICBMs should be retired anyway. The only truly survivable strategic nukes are the Ohio-class subs and the B-2 bombers.

    • Vietnam’63

      it won’t be long before all air missions will be flown with drones…..and you neededn’t have served in the military to be president, Lincoln didn’t and he was the first Republican……….

      • majorg1000

        The Constitution specifically designates the Office of President as that of a Civilian. There is a reason for that, and if you don’t know that reason. you should look it up. By the way, Lincoln did serve as a Captain of Militia during the French and Indian War.

  • Wolfex1

    “There are no bad regiments, only bad colonels”~ Napoleon

  • rex1234

    The Jewish bankers are purging the goyim from key positions of the military because the military brass refused to bomb attack Syria and Iran.

    • majorg1000

      Nonsense.

    • shirley

      Please tell your mother she left her panties at my place, and have her return that box of Matzos she stole. But I guess this is what we have to expect when we hire trash like your family to clean our toilets

  • American1945

    Sparticlistic is correct. Everything this president has touched has turned out badly for the people, the American people; and given our place in world leadership, the world is worse off as well. Our once dynamic Armed Forces are but the latest victim of this horrible, anti-freedom, law breaking and Constitution avoiding administration. The downward economic, moral, ethical and social spiral of our great nation since 2009 is inprecedented and we have not even begun yet to experience the destructive long-term ramifications. Wait until our great college/university system fails because the government is taking everyone’s discretionary income, not to mention charities, churches, school extracurricular activities, etc. Just look at the “golden” socialist countires and they have none of these things to the extent we do becuase the governments take all the money (I lived over 10 years in W. Europe and watched it operate daily close-up). I die a little bit every day as I watch the disintigration of our country, but no worries, I will be 70 soon and probably put on the “no longer of use to society list” by the Obamacare “death squads,” even though I have a doctorate, am healthy and still productive.

    • shirley

      YOU have a Doctorate? Who did you have to suck off to get it?

      • majorg1000

        ouch…lol.

  • MM II

    Headline is misspelled.

    • http://www.breakingdefense.com/ Colin Clark

      Thanks. It’s fixed. Apologies

  • DAVID

    This folks is what you get when you vote HOPE AND CHANGE! So why don`t you that voted for this HOPE AND CHANGE shut up and go away you are getting what you voted for HOPE AND CHANGE! I really hope you enjoy your HOPE AND CHANGE

    • majorg1000

      You are a fool and a bigot. You have no business in this forum.

      • jimbob22

        You mean you got Hope and Change???

  • Tom G

    The McPeakie Horror Picture Show continues…

  • hackitoff

    would be worse if she announced that some nukes had been misplaced (:

  • charliemoney3

    I believe it’s an inside job; the SAC-Mission is being Subverted…plain and simple. There are those that want to dismantle the US Military. Those Missile Site Officers were “Set-Up”.

    • majorg1000

      Nonsense. Show us your “proof”.

  • D. L.

    Having served in the military for 40 years, with most of that time in the Air Force and the Air National Guard, there are no excuses for what they did. They violated the main precept and doctrine of the Air Force, Integrity. These Officers need to be charged under the UCMJ, and removed from the military by discharge under other than Honorable conditions. Trying to excuse these actions, is in itself, a lack of Leadership. Having seen the infractions by the AF these past few years, it’s quite evident the Air Force Leadership needs a swift kick in the ass. V/R Lt.Col. (Ret) DL

  • clambroth

    WTF is a WOMAN running the Airforce?????????????????????

  • Stormy

    I retired from the Air Force two years ago after serving for 27 years. During that time I earned my Command Master Operations Missile Badge and wore it proudly. In fact, I have a gold miniature one that I wear when I wear suits as I’m still proud to wear it.
    The expected “100” on a test has always been there and should always be there in the future. Why? Because you are dealing with nuclear weapons, not fixing a car or painting a house or flipping burgers. The Honorable SECAF has no idea on what it takes to be a missilier or to be in the military so she cannot understand the importance of needing to score the best possible score on a test.
    Granted, scoring a 100 every month does not mean you know what you’re talking about but it is a datapoint to show leadership how you are doing. If scores didn’t matter, then why the big hype in high school/college etc to get the best possible grades?
    Being part of SAC was much more demanding than what it was when ACC took us over for a year then handed us over to Air Force Space Command (AFSPC). AFSPC had no idea what to do with us missiliers so they told 20AF to handle it. This of course led to other issues.
    It wasn’t until Air Force Global Strike Command (AFGSC) stood up in Aug 2009 and led by Lt Gen Klotz (retired) that the importance of being a missilier was stressed once again. However, since Gen Klotz retired, AFGSC has become another ACC led by pilots for the last 4 years whose mission was NOT nuclear 24 hours a day. Nothing against these General Officers, but if your job wasn’t in the nuclear world full-time, 24 hours a day, then maybe you should not be leading a nuclear command.
    The young officers and enlisted now-a-days do not feel like they need to “be perfect”, that they should be given things on a platter to them. They have failed to learn to accept responsibilities. This is not there fault, it’s their parents and the school system we have that has failed them.
    Honorable SECAF, PLEASE do not make changes based off an AETC report or by someone that has no idea what being a missilier is all about. Talk to the “old heads” that are still around in the nuclear world (Gen Welsh, Lt Gen Klotz etc) and learn from them before you make a rash decision.
    To my fellow missiliers, time to “man-up” and do what is expected of you to preserve our great country and to ensure the American public and the rest of the world that you are still the greatest deterrent on this planet.

    • D.L.

      Well said Stormy, there’s no do overs with Nuc’s…

    • majorg1000

      I agree with what you have said. I was on Missile Crew between 1980-1985. There shouldn’t be compromises, and the 100% score should ALWAYS be the rule, not the exception. Missileers should be the best of the best, and those that cannot make the cut need to be shown the door.
      However, I believe that the SecAF and the military leaders are facing this issue head on. I have great hopes that the solutions they put in place will have long lasting effects upon the nuclear forces in general. Thank you for your service.

  • dquandle

    Contrary to perhaps popular opinion, there is nothing whatsoever reassuring that a bunch of folks are willing to press buttons to obliterate millions of people. The ability to blow millions of people away is not offering any protection against anything. It is simply threatening the lives of millions. These jobs are useless. They should not exist. The whole nuclear program is an outrageously expensive and quite possibly catastrophic dead end. It is a horrendously dangerous irrelevance and the low level enlisted people know this.

    • majorg1000

      All of the statements you have made show your complete lack of knowledge about the nuclear forces of the US…especially the Minuteman Missiles now on alert in the US. Perhaps ypou should do a bit more research before babbling on about buttons and costs, and the folks who perform this important mission.
      After you have educated yourself, then please, bu all means return to this forum and comment intelligently on what you have learned. Yes, there will be a test.

  • Hector Gonzalez

    Everything starts at the top with the president that we have at the white house. He is for lying and being dishonest. He is for drugs (marihuana). He is for gay marriage. He is for abortion (lucky him that his mama didn’t abort him). He is for lawlessness and total disregard of our Constitution. What else do you expect?

  • luckyfreeman

    ICBM Gaurds are the best

  • luckyfreeman

    Should have had Gen Tommy Franks respond to the Benghazi calls for help….I think pehaps a much more betterer outcome ….Augmented reaction force WhooooRaaaah

  • Gereng

    What the hell is a woman doing as secretary of the Air Force???? The Air Force has always been the least disciplined, least rigorously commanded, and least “military” of the services. Yet in spite of these well known flaws they have been charged with responsibility for most of the nuclear missiles and delivery systems. The present situation is unsurprising. Having their boss a female is perfectly in keeping with the rest of the miserable lash-up.

    • majorg1000

      Clearly you have never served, or if you have, were sold a bill of goods and drank the kool aid of lies, half truths, and misinformation.

  • Cheryle Williams

    : “officers and enlisted men”? any enlisted women involved?

    • majorg1000

      All of the people accused of cheating or using drugs in the Missiles were officers. There could be women among the accused as both men and women pull alerts with our ICBMs. Until more details are released, we won’t know for sure.

      • Cheryle Williams

        women are officers. women are enlisted. collin clark, who wrote article, take heart. and yes, majorg1000, stay tuned for more details.

        • majorg1000

          Trust me Cheryle, I am staying tuned to this story. I was a Combat Crew MCCC myself in the early 80s (before women were on crew). This affects more than just the people who were caught. Actually, women WERE on crew in the early 80s within the Titan II system…they had a 4 person crew, and the powers that be saw no problem with that. I was in the Minuteman System with a 2 person crew, and it wasn’t until long after I left the crew force that they determined that mixed 2 person crews could be professional. Fortunately common sense overcame gender predjudice.

          • Cheryle Williams

            : wow, majorg1000, you’ve got history and knowledge in this situation. now i’ve got to do some research. thank you.

          • majorg1000

            Happy to help. If you like, you can contact me at aol

          • Cheryle Williams

            : all right, will do. take care.

          • majorg1000

            You too.

  • Dan Crabtree

    wow we had no secretary like this lady when i was serving…

    • Majorg1000

      You served? Honorably?

  • patriot

    Remove the dual citizen from The American military and you won’t have this problem!

  • BuffDriver

    The (uninformed and unqualified) “voice of the people” elected Mr. Obama, so to attack him NOW is whipping a dead horse. The fact that he has no military savy is proven by his nomination of the current SecAF. The USAF Nuc capacity was taken over by WWII Bomber Generals and after their retirement, the USAF has degraded to a point that it is now similar to the pre-WWII Army Air Corps.
    As a 27 year veteran of SAC and a command Pilot, I bemoan the “Late, Great United lAir Force” as I feel that this may well be its swan song. As to who is th SecAF…WHO GIVES A DAMN! As long as he or she is a leader capable of supporting and maintaining a strong force for PEACE, then the Department will survive and, hopefully, thrive.

    There is, again, talk going round of dismantling the USAF entirely and spreading the remains over the Army and Navy! Mitchell, Arnold, Doolittle, Chenault, Lemay and the rest will roll over in their graves. The greatest nation in the world…without an Air Force!?
    God Bless the United States of America and the USAF!

  • Dr Strangelove

    It’s obvious additional personnel need to be assigned to each silo who ‘UNDERSTAND THE MISSION OF THE OBAMA GOVERNMENT”. At the same time, disarm the two missile launch officers since they can no longer be trusted with a dangerous weapon and arm only the newly assigned civilian missiles security guard with a machine gun to protect the world from an American Doctor Strange Love.

  • Tosheba

    What a load of crapola.

  • DLW

    Install fear in your leaders and discount the mistakes of the top decision makers! Hitler worked it very well and BO and Hillary took notice!

  • harvey

    This is what happens when knee jerk obeying and abuse of their positions happens as is rampant in the military where attitude and ego is what runs things. boot licking and idiocy. No common sense and pandering to whoever kisses butt instead of who is qualified. This is rampant thruought the entire military and the federal reserve police force as well. Out of shape fat lazy boss kiss ass’s get promoted while the hard working in shape experts in self defense and weapons tactics are ignored because they think and dont play games and kiss up. The ignorance is very evident.

  • brianw517

    Is Deborah
    Lee James following
    in Hillary’s footsteps, and Benghazi!?!?

    • majorg1000

      No,
      She isn’t.
      What an Ignorant statement!

  • http://WWW.SPIRITOFAMERICAPARTYRADIOSHOW.COM TOM P O’DONNELL

    BEWARE OF PURGES AND EXCUSES TO REDUCE MILITARY COMBAT EFFECTIVENESS. THIS PRESIDENT WANTS TO GIFT PUTIN A WEAKENED USA. HE ALREADY HAS PURGED THE ARMY AND NAVY. REPLACING 200 OFFICERS.
    THE REMOVAL OF MCCHRYSTAL, PETRAEUS AND ALLEN WAS PLANNED. IN MY OPINION. HE HAS LOST THE MIDDLE EAST TO AL QUEDA.SOON THE FAR EAST. THE PROOF WILL BE WHEN JAPAN GOES NUCLEAR. STAND DOWN AT BENGHAZI WAS DELIBERATE MURDER. AN ARMY BIGGER THAN THE US MILITARY HE MENTIONED AGAIN AT THE STATE OF THE BROKEN UNION. THIS IS A BROKEN SISSIFIED MILITARY WITH A CUT IN PAY AND POSSIBLY CLOSED PX’S. THIS IMPOSTER IS NO MORALE BUILDER. TAKES AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER ON SAFARI? MAKES MARINES HOLD UMBRELLAS? LIP READERS SAY HIS WIFE SAID ALL THIS FOR A FLAG AT A 911 CEREMONY. WANTS TO SEIZE YOUR GUNS? DIVIDE AND CONQUER IS THE ORDER OF THE DAY. GIVES NUKE TIME TO IRAN? PROTECTS SYRIAN WOMD’S WITH IRAQI LABELS? BETRAYS ISRAEL? CLAIMS TO HAVE DESTROYED AL QUEDA. GAVE BIN LADEN FOUR MONTHS TO GET AWAY.
    ANNOUNCES THE KILLING OF BIN LADEN ON A SUNDAY NIGHT AT 10:30?
    TO PREVENT WEEK END CELEBRATIONS. 12 YEARS INTO A WAR OF IED’S AND STILL WE CANT FIND AND DETONATE SAFELY.
    YOU CAN’T SEE HIS RECORDS? WOULD YOU HIRE THIS GUY?
    http://WWW.CAPTAINSBLOG.US

  • shbkyn45

    This sounds scary/

  • Harris Cal

    She did a pretty fair job at SAIC but can’t understand why that qualifies her (other than being a good female candidate) her over actual ex-Air Force candidates. I would like to see these services headed up by someone that at least understands the culture and language.

    In her defense, none of the services have faced any new challenges (other than downsizing and dealing with a ton of folks returning home). The Navy has some programs that seem new but were stated over 10 years ago and the ships are just now hitting the seas.

  • Harris Cal

    I read some very confusing and racially charged postings below. How did this become about Obama?

  • jyatt7

    You get a no character president like Obama and a bunch of crybaby liberals, that has got to wear on you.

  • luckyfreeman

    I am sure the lady will do an excelent job of getting everything straightened out and getting those involvded
    heads screwed on straight…send them to rehab get them straightened out make the officers take the piss tests and the blood teasts and lets get over this hurdle…Hey the enlistem men have to do the test anyways ….its mandatory for enlisted men and the sargents have to stand there and watch…but it works…My guess is it will all get worked out,,,as it should…but I believe it should all be done in A.A. type settings and all voluntary people should be waived out disciplinary action and left alone for having the guts to get themselves straightened out…Clean you acts up thats all were asking…be trustworthy and responsible….Not meaning anybody any disrespect..

  • luckyfreeman

    nobody that never served thisr nation should have anysay what so ever how the military handles this situation and honestly its none of thier darn bussiness…Don’t have the guts to wear the uniforn should learn to keep your big mouth shut and your big long nose out of everybody elses bussiness…What we need is to get these men straightend out and into shape…and get thier acts cleaned up…say no more

  • kenhowes

    The Armed Forces, for the last twenty years, have been pushed ever increasingly to a careerist viewpoint. Men of integrity have been cashiered for speaking their minds. The two Democratic presidents in this period have been the worst, but George W. Bush was not without fault in this. Officers have had it made clear to them, “Forget honor. Get with the program, or you’re out.” We have a wretched officer corps now, and this is just the tip of the iceberg. The good guys got fired for not going along with the idiocies of this president and his predecessors. There hasn’t been a solid commander in chief since the first Bush.

    • majorg1000

      Amazingly enough, it was under the First Bush that the military reductions and the Base Realignment And Closure (BRAC) committees were formed and the laws to implement them passed.

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      • kenhowes

        True. That was simply a response to the end of the Cold War. The Soviet bloc no longer existed. Officers were not being singled out for political purging; rather, there was a system-wide reduction in active forces. What’s gone on under Clinton, Bush II and Obama is pushing those generals who don’t get with one or another controversial program out of the service.

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  • xyeke

    I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR ANY CANDIDATE THAT DOESN’T HAVE A MILITARY SERVICE BACKGROUND FOR THE PRESIDENCY EVER AGAIN!!

    • Herstory

      ….. BECAUSE WILLINGNESS TO PARTICIPATE IN ARMED WARFARE IS NOT NECESSARILY A SIGN OF LEADERSHIP, ITS A SIGN OF WE DONT CARE IF CIVILIAN WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN WAR ZONES PAY THE PRICE.

    • majorg1000

      Having served a career in the USAF as an officer, and as a veteran of two wars, I will never again vote for someone who has.

      • jimbob22

        Where did you serve??? Just curious.

        • majorg1000

          I was an officer in the USAF. I served as a Missile Combat Crew Member (Launch Officer) with Minuteman III ICBMs in the 91st Strategic Missile Wing, Minot AFB, ND. That was my first assignment after Training At Vandenberg AFB, Ca. That assignment was from 1980, to 1985. I was then stationed at Ellsworth AFB with the 4 ACCS, the 44th SMW DCM, the 28th BMW Command Post, where as Training Officer I taught B-1B, KC-135 and EC-155 Aircrews how to go to Nuclear War. That was from 1985 to 1990. From there I ran the Command Control School for SAC, and ended my Career as Chief, Command Control Division, 319 ARW.

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  • Krupotkin

    They cheated because they were afraid they wouldn’t be promoted. Boo freaking hoo. The fact that they cheated demonstrates that they were not only unworthy of promotion, but lacked the character to be officers in the first place.

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  • just right

    my father was crypto man in the air force in panama in the Korean war and was NOT rewarded a accommadation for not letting a senior officer into the code room because of no clearance instead he was demoted

  • Gary Harryman

    If the language, sentiments, and opinions I’m reading in the comments here are an indication of the mentality of those working in our nuclear missile sites – God help us.

    • majorg1000

      No Gary, myself and one or two others are former Missileers. The rest have no clue as to what they are talking about, and are using this a a place for racial slurs and misogynist acrimony.

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  • nothing changes ever

    it’s the same story as gun control, as the international bankers attempt to further defang the US. just as King George III did it, the zionist banking families in Switzerland are secretly robbing the Americans blind by stealing all our tax money. it’s a lot easier to rob and loot from people who can’t defend themselves. hence, get rid of guns and get rid of nuclear missles, or at least get zionist control of them. washington is full of puppets and sellouts and they are all willing to pass laws and purge patriotic soldiers and do as their Swiss masters tell them. nothing has changed in 235 years. except that the average american now has his head up his ass, believes the hype that Switzerland is neutral, Israel is our best ally and that the Saudis are our friends. Those 3 countries make up the real Axis of Evil. But you won’t read about that in the newspapers or see it on CNN, because they own all that and they would never let the cat out of the bag. you’ve been brainwashed and manipulated into giving it all away.
    wake up suckers

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  • AKOOLHEAD

    Again, I come back to those who let these problems continue; whether by the military, local government, Congress, or Obama. THE PROBLEM IS YOU. You need to DEMAND greater transparancy and adherence to rules; or vote every current office holder out. If you do nothing; then it will continue to happen. Vote in Nov 2014; clean house.

  • Lynne Sullivan

    Therein lies the problem: A woman Secretary of the Air Force.

  • Rotate

    Humans are not competent stewards of nuclear missiles, their lives, the lives of their families and the safety of the planet. Simple as that. A nuclear war is now obviously as likely from mishap as from actual planning and execution.

  • Sonny D.

    I thought for sure they were going to come clean about the Stargate under Cheyenne Mountain Complex.

  • Glenn Moore

    We are NOTthe same country we were when I was on SSBN 628. and the fish rots from the head!

  • Roy

    These charges are all trumped up to get the scrotum in charges hand on the button. They run such stringent testing theres no way in hell they have 92 in trouble like this. It’s just another attempt to weaken our military just like the over 200 top military leaders obummers fired.

    • majorg1000

      Yes, the testing is stringent, but unless you have been a Missile Combat Crew Member you have no idea how testing is conducted, nor what pressures are placed upon these crews. To come out and blatantly forward a conspiracy theory of this magnitude is not only silly, but uneducated. It is obvious by the various names you have called him that you neither like, nor agree with the President. That alone does not make the President Evil, or UnAmerican…it only makes your posts look stupid.

  • praise the lord pass the ammo

    Let me get this straight we have nuclear arms but we will not allow other countries to have it. we have jokers whom run that hole that are druggies and cheaters and the like. please tell me why we have such a wonderful cuntry again so I can laugh some more.

  • that gentleman over there

    Grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and buddy; I hurt people! I’m a force of nature! If you were from, where I was from, you’d be f***ing dead!
    Stress and lack of sleep can make you say things. if you have a problem. shut up. I don’t care what you think; you’re just another faceless internet user to me.

  • neighborhoodmole

    There needs to be a reasonable path toward promotions and career growth during peacetime or for essential non-combat roles.

  • mark hill

    Nice, another panty hire. This woman has never been in the military and she’s in charge?!? Bahahahahahahaha

    • mark hill

      and women complain of a glass ceiling?? What a bunch of BS

  • mark hill

    hey, let’s get madonna to be secretary of the Air Force… she has as much experience

    • mark hill

      Just like the panty hire for the NTSB. Unqualified except it’s a she.

      When will women merit something

      • majorg1000

        What have you done that makes you such an expert that you can make such accusations?

        • mark hill

          I see what’s in front of me… do you??

          • majorg1000

            I have for more years than I care to count. I feel sorry for you that you live in such a square framed inflexible world.

          • mark hill

            Years of what?? Obviously not thinking logically

          • majorg1000

            Your mother didn’t breast feed you when you were an infant?

          • mark hill

            Look, moron, if you can’t argue a point, then go name calling to the other children and leave the discussing to adults

          • majorg1000

            I served a career in the USAF as an officer, and am a veteran of two wars. I spent 321 alerts underground with the very weapons this article is talking about during th Cold War with the Soviet Union. Clearly you cannot read, as I haven’t resorted to name calling. Your misogynist views are unwarrented and uneducated. Your comments reflect ignorance and have no place in this forum.

          • mark hill

            If you’re stupid enough to Volunteer for two immoral wars then you’re too stupid to understand simple things.
            Go polish your shoes, numb nuts

          • majorg1000

            You have no idea when I served, or what wars I was involved in. I do understand the simple things…I understand you.
            “Look moron, if you can’t argue a point, then go name calling to the other children and leave the discussing to the adults.”

          • mark hill

            The civil war? the war on women? the war of the worlds… damn, I give up

          • mark hill

            Besides women are Carried in every aspect of the military and are an unnecessary burden.

        • mark hill

          accusations?? Facts !

  • Sean

    GET CIVILIANS OUT OF THE MILITARY!!!!!

    • mark hill

      Get some leadership with some Balls for a change

  • mark hill

    How about Jessica Lynch for Secretary of the Air Force?? She has MORE experience than this current panty hire.

  • mark hill

    Wait a minute… Oprah !! Yes She’s available !! Hey and we can have such diversity along with even more panty hires……

  • Keith Pallo

    How much is in keeping with Obama’s desire to totally disarm american nuclear deterrance and how much is real? He makes no bones about hating our nuclear forces and has attacked to 2 services responsible for launching those missles. Now we don’t have enough people to do the jobe because readiness status is severly degraded! I don’t trust obama or any of his minions!!!

  • mark hill

    and look at the bone head next to her… he’s so brainwashed he thinks she deserves her position…. our military is in sad sad shape…

  • truth hurts dont it trolls

    how stupid do u think we are…im sure they are smart enough to know that the nsa is tracking their emails so why would they cheat when they know yur watching…tell we the people the truth yur dick-taitor is getting rid of all of them its a purge…

  • nadya suleman

    THIS IS JESUS CHRISTS FAULT ONCE AGAIN.84 OF THESE PEOPLE ARE CHRSITIAN.SO THIS TELL ME THE AIR FORCE SHOULD NOT PUT CHRISTIAN ON THESE WEAPONS SYSTEMS

  • Douglas Allen

    If they can’t do the job, gone, that’s it. JMHO

  • Marko

    We don’t want to hear it, but this country is going to get hit by Russia and her allies in the future when we least expect it. It will caught us off-guard from the north since our communication system will fail us and our missile defense shield is not up to par…

  • ArmyBratMW

    Hey Ms. James, don’t reassure me, or tell me you have things under control just because, maybe, you don’t want to admit you really don’t. If you can’t do it, please just SAY you can’t do it. This is too important. So just tell us. Leak it. Or someone just may call you a’wing man’.

  • DAP52

    While my intention here is in no way to disparage Ms. James simply based on her gender….I don’t care if this sounds sexist or not. I read up on Ms. James biography which is very impressive. BUT…..no where did I see where she directly served active duty in the military. More specifically, in the Air Force. Forgive for saying, but I feel more at ease if a Secretary of any of our military branches did active duty in them prior to attaining such a prominent position…regardless of their gender.

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  • withthunder

    not sure of what you need a moderator for. cant you say what you want still in this country. a way to learn is to read all of what,s written and been done with on hands knowledge. if you need a cabinet built do you want someone who can do it or someone who can talk about it.

  • ajarianne

    “Secretary of the Air Force”? How many damned “Secretary’s” are there? Got rid of the Cabinet post for Secretary of the Navy – to the Secretary of DEFENSE. Exactly what does the doofus standing next to her do? Order the $1000.00 porta-potties for some WAC-WADS screwing off-site? “misileers”? Just – really – HOW MANY DO WE NEED? Planning on shooting off a shit load of nukes from “where”? That is: “WHERE else we can’t fire enough” – to piss off Iran, China, Russia, N. Korea – with a press of buttons the President can accomplish? ~~ “Affairs”? “Cheating on Tests”? FIRE THE BASTAIDS! Send ‘em off the wings of a F-35D’s! “Plagued by problems”? Then shoot ‘em! Give me a Gay “misileer” any day to cut in front of these hosers. Dinky idiot 19 yr olds crashing shit left and right and all over – but expect them to DO THEIR DUTY? Kascrewyas! And Spasticulispasm – Fred@116 yrs old & Senile – below – shut your pie holes ’cause it wasn’t like this all came about because of OBAMA! Culture of Shat Takes a While to Ferment – solve the problem or BE the problem. Obvious what you’re both about – blame Darky and let it fly where it may – the usual. You heard McConnell like everyone else did – and your still frothing at the mouth! Rabid? Get a shot.

  • Thomas Reece

    This is what happens when the leadership refuses to drive disipline into the ranks. It is systemic and it starts with the president and his willful disregard for the Constitution, his enforcing the laws he likes (that lead to additional power) and disregarding the laws he does not like. is being modified to remove beastiallity as an offense. Social engineering, out right aborant beavior being condoned and the lack of any structure is and will destroy the military.

  • plewdawg

    While she is “spinning plates” she should check with the pilots that are looking to get out. Publicly they will give a “neutral” answer but talk to them candidly and thye will sum it up in one word………….obama!

  • Harold Losey

    It always either starts at the top or bottom, so at the top we know how HBO thinks when it concerns the military(not needed) but what military experience does this “Air Force Secretary” have? Which service and which field? I NEVER understood a civilian running any service branch!

    • majorg1000

      Then you don’t, and never will understand the Constitution of the United States, and why it was written as it was.

  • Jane Pinney

    What do you expect with an Anti-Christian as President? This Secretary looks like someone Obama would promote, too.

  • Harold Losey

    Just as I thought this female has NO experience in uniform, not one day!

  • Jim

    Sadly, the Obama Administration is using all the military services as an experiment tank for social engineering projects, rather than directing it to its stated goal of national defense. For them, it’s more important to advance females in key roles and replace officers with ones which have politically correct political philosophies.

  • GreatBirdUSA

    Fish rot from the head down…
    Who is our Commander?
    You’ll find the rot began there.

  • barbara goda

    when we have a leader who respects no one, why should those who work for them be any different………never have so many been embarrassed by the USA

  • Chris Favro

    WHY?. Why in the world, would The Air Force come out saying this to the general public and to the world?. Its like telling the world that the American Nuclear defense is in some how, in truble.

    Its like a Cop walking down a Street with a gun, and Tells everybody he has no bullets, no car,no radio,. Whats the deal?. NO theirs something Fishy about This whole story! I keep Thinking ,,, Rope-a-dope,, like smoke and mirrors. Somethings going on in the Big house, (Pentagon). For some reason, this Just not sitting well with me. I think they are going to try something or trying to get something. If there is, This problem,? this is something that should of been kept a secret until it was fixed. Not announcing it to the World.

    • majorg1000

      You call for transparancy, and when there is, you complain.

  • TLaugh

    I know a bunch of notes are giving POTUS all the blame but I can’t figure exactly what HE has to do with the Air Force personnel cheating and failing drug tests. Hike ‘em boys and put the blame where it’s due personal responsibility.

  • Robert Barnes

    Micro-management is pervading not only corporate America, but its Armed Forces. That literally hamstrings smooth operations, performance of duties, and results in a lot of mistakes, and poor behavior. Micro-managers should NEVER control any type of organization. They are nothing more than bean counters.

  • o / IDK

    Guess, she doesn’t know the OER rating scheme. If you rate 3rd from the top, your an Infantry Platoon Leader in the Air Force. lol If you score less than perfect, your a tailgunner on a Sub.

  • Dan

    This wouldn’t have happened in SAC especially if Gen. Lemay had anything to do with it. I served at Minot AFB and Ellisworth AFB
    in the mid ’60s.

    • N0efacts

      Yeah, this ain’t the 60s, move along! Catch up.

  • PEARL

    AS AN AMERICAN, AND JUST A CVILIAN, THE ISSUES FRIGHTEN ME, I FEEL SICK FOR MY COUNTRY.

    • majorg1000

      Good. You should. You should also be afraid of attacks on Americans from the right.

  • PEARL

    “CIVILIAN”

  • UH34D

    First, one of the largest problems we have lies with the American people. Since Nixon and his actions, people have over the years lost more and more respect for our presidents, regardless of Party. People now voice the most absurd accusations and lies one would think it should be a game plan for a new game show. Amazing how some network hasn’t picked up on the idea.

    Any president picks the SoD, the president and cabinet decides on SoAF, Army, Navy and their minions. Presidents expect the people chosen for their respective positions will be diligent in their assigned duties. What’s really gone off the rails is the demeanor, attitude and oratory of most Republican members of Congress.. You listen to some of them and they sound like anarchists hell bent upon destroying our government. You think people in uniform don’t listen to this BS? You think it doesn’t affect their attitude, demenor and behavior from a Private to a 4 Star wonder?

    The biggest problems we see associated with our military; when we moved to an all volunteer force. History has proven time and again; rely on an all volunteer military force, your nation is looking for trouble. Sooner or later they begin to take on the air of a Praetorian Guard mentality. We’ve seen it constantly in the ‘star’ ranks with the number of them having to resign because they can’t keep their pie holes shut and this filters down through the ranks. Being disgruntled has a way of seeping down to everybody in uniform.

    I like to remind all of my right wing friends, they should read or listen to two speeches by Dwight Eisenhower. First, Ike’s farewell speech and a speech history has titled ‘The Cross of Iron’ speech. We were warned but nobody listened and now we’re paying the price. And remember, every president beginning with Nixon, the exception maybe Carter, has been a statist and monetarist, it’s no wonder we’re in trouble.

  • N0efacts

    The missile command is just one part of the Nuclear Defense Triad! Air Launch Weapons and Submarine Launch systems are always up and ready 24-7! The personnel problems will be hammered out from the Top Down in Missile Command! All you Civs out there climb back out of your panic rooms!

  • george pignataro

    We need the wopper.

  • Joe Sujet

    It should ruin their chances of promotion. It’s an ethics violation not to mention it endangers our national security. Why would you not be able to get a 100%? Whoops, I thought the red button did something else. Wtf?

    • Thomas

      It is a 100 question test and covers all aspects of the program, from aricraft, nuke storage and silo operation. What does a man sitting in a silo know about a B-2 bomber? While I believe that they need to know and understnad United States Strategic Command structure and operations they don’t need to know what the manafold start pressure is on a B-2 bomber.

  • Glenn Moore

    an alert one and some flash trafic, and all these problems go away!

  • coolflannelcat

    And the award for worst leader goes to our commander-in-chief. He’s a great campaigner though.

  • Mike

    Is Gary Church just trying to make himself feel better about his own cheating?

  • Todd

    What they should do is simply train people to do their jobs instead of imposing these artificial test standards. I have taken a few civil tests for government jobs and they are never easy and most people never get called, but the irony is the tests do not reflect whether someone can do a job or not with proper training. It’s their way of weeding people out, nothing more.

    • majorg1000

      Once you have become a Missile Combat Crew Member, being “weeded out” shouldn’t be of any concern…that was already done long before you ever pulled your first alert. The training is stringent and exacting, because it has to be. The men and women sitting alert with our nuclear weapons have to be the best of the best, not just someone who can “do the job”. That these officers were caught cheating threatens the integrity and safety of not just the missile forces, but of the United States as well. Your “few civil tests” are nothing compared to what the men and women who command our ICBMs have to contend with. This is not an excuse for the officers that cheated, they should and will be held accountable for their actions…it is merely fact.

      • http://www.DNotice.org/ Dean Jackson

        “That these officers were caught cheating threatens the integrity and safety of not just the missile forces, but of the United States as well.”

        They weren’t caught cheating, because there was no cheating! The story is a disinformation psyop, the purpose of which to discourage applicants for Air Force officers.

        Blessed with exceptionally high IQs, Air Force officers actually enjoy rigorous tests, the more rigorous the better.

        See my comment above for (1) why the government is lying; and (2) who tasked the United States government to lie…

  • Dakota Kurtz

    Yeah for the liberals that want to keep bashing the conservative side of the house for every problem that the liberals started in the first place f**k off. Go do your home work and take ur eyes off of msnbc cbs and nbc for 30 seconds and actually look into this stuff and get some hard facts. Yes actually it was the clinton administraion that downsized the military fireing all the higher ups to get some new blood pushed through and to downsize. Also to the jacka** that said our airforce is to large and doesnt need to be as big as it is. The air force is already a tiny branch of service with a huge job everyone sees all the air force pilots, and the mechanics. yet no one takes to the time actually look into the air force, and what they actually do. The air force has so many jobs that are intel jobs and anti intel jobs. Everything from linguists to cyberspace specialists. They are that line of defence that can never get lazy bc at any moment china, russia, or any other communist country could try to hack into our networks. So absolutly this is a problem in the chain of command, and it only starts at the enlisted men and works its way up the ladder and yes that means BO has some to blame just like him and hillary are to blame for bengazhi. CMSGTUSAFRET you are spot on.

  • Dakota Kurtz

    oh and i forgot that woman is the “secretary” of the air force not the Cheif of staff of the air force once again liberals please get educated on topics you know nothing about such as military or guns (;

    • majorg1000

      Perhaps you are the one who needs to become educated. It wasn’t the Clinton, but rather the George H W Bush administration that passed the laws for the Reduction In Force and the Base Realignment And Closure (BRAC) Committees. The Air Force is not a “tiny branch of service” and never has been, where did you come up with that particular fact? Russia is no longer a Communist Country, and hasn’t been since 1993 with the collapse of the Soviet Union. Although it is a problem with the Chain of Command…it doesn’t start with the enlisted ranks, as all missileers are officers, not enlisted, and there are an awful lot of steps before you reach the top, where yes, the ultimate responsibilty lies. The “Chief” isn’t spot on, he isn’t even in the ballpark. He is just another ultra conservative like yourself who wishes that the balme could be placed on everyone, and everything they don’t agree with. Grow up. You have much to learn.

  • mike

    Why are all the right wings trying to take the seriousness out of this situation? Is their anything that isn’t BO fault? your right! it MUST be BO’s fault because congress wont do a dam thing! That’s a fact that I know because I am educated. Blah blah blah F#%$%^ BABIES

  • http://www.DNotice.org/ Dean Jackson

    For those not in the know, there is no cheating scandal at Malmstrom Air Force Base. Air Force officers have exceptionally high IQs and not only EXPECT rigorous tests, but actually enjoy such tests.

    So what’s really going on with this contrived story? It’s called sabotage of the United States Armed Forces, the purpose of which is to deter the best and brightest from even thinking of becoming an Air Force officer, and the following explains who’s actually doing the sabotage…

    Take a look at these pictures out of Russia…

    http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia—Air/Antonov-An-12BK-PPS/1584360/L/

    and

    http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/su-47-berkut-russia/p6041-su-47-berkut.html

    Then for Russian Naval vessels, take a look at what’s still appended to the bows (enlarge picture…

    http://flashtrafficblog.wordpress.com/2013/06/08/9225/

    Those pictures were taken in 2009, 2004 and 2013, respectively, not before the “collapse” of the USSR. As you can see, the distinct Soviet era nationality emblem of the Communist Party…the distinct-designed Red Star… is still present. That political symbol of the Soviet government would have been immediately removed in early 1992 if the “collapse” of the USSR were genuine. As the legal emblem of the USSR and the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, the distinctive Red Star nationality emblem can only be present if Communists are still in power in Russia and the other 14 republics that made up the USSR.

    Take a look at what’s still on Aeroflot aircraft…

    Google (open the first picture): ‘airplane pictures Aeroflot Airbus A319 VP-BDN’

    Note the Soviet emblem of the hammer & sickle stenciled on the Aeroflot aircraft’s fuselage!

    Now, for the main paper of the Russian Ministry of Defense…

    http://www.redstar.ru/

    “Krasnaya Zvezda” is Russian (no kidding!) for “Red Star”, the official newspaper of Soviet and later Russian Ministry of Defense. The paper’s official designation is, “Central Organ of the Russian Ministry of Defense.” Note the four Soviet emblems next to the still existing Soviet era masthead, one of which pictures Lenin’s head, the man who removed the independent Russian nation from the map, supplanting it within the new nation called the USSR (the USSR being the nation that was to one day include all the nations of the Earth, incorporation taking place either by violent revolution or deception)! Those Soviet emblems and Lenin’s head can’t still be next to the masthead of the Russian Ministry of Defense’s newspaper due to their association with the Soviet Union and its ideals of world revolution; the nations of
    the world constituting the Soviet Union!

    The fraudulent “collapse” of the USSR (and East Bloc) couldn’t have been pulled off until both political parties in the United States (and political parties elsewhere in the West) were co-opted by Moscow & Allies, which explains why verification of the “collapse” was never undertaken by the West, such verification being (1) a natural administrative procedure (since the USSR wasn’t occupied by Western military forces); and (2) necessary for the survival of the West. Recall President Reagan’s favorite phrase, “Trust, but verify”. Notice that not one political party in the West demanded verification, and the media failed to alert your attention to this fact, including the “alternative” media. When determining whether the “former” USSR is complying with arms control treaties, what does the United States do to confirm compliance? Right, the United States sends into the “former” USSR investigative teams to VERIFY compliance, yet when it’s the fate of the West that’s at stake should the collapse of the USSR be a ruse, what does the United States do to confirm the collapse? Nothing!

    Now read these two revealing quotes from Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev and former Soviet minister of foreign affairs Eduard Shevardnadze, and what they have in mind for you in the near future:

    “Editor’s Note: The phrases ‘From the Atlantic to the Urals’, ‘From the Atlantic to Vladivostok’ and ‘From Vancouver to Vladivostok’ are interchangeable in the strategists’ lexicon. In the course of his Nobel Peace Prize Lecture, delivered in Oslo in June 1992, Gorbachev said: ‘Our [sic] vision of the European space from the Atlantic to the Urals is not that of a closed system. Since it includes the Soviet Union [sic], which reaches to the shores of the Pacific, it goes beyond nominal geographical boundaries’. Note that Gorbachev, who had been out of office for six months, referred to the Soviet Union, not Russia. In an interview on Moscow Television on 19 November 1991, Eduard Shevardnadze continued speaking as though he was still Soviet Foreign Minister: ‘I think that the idea of a Common European Home, the building of a united Europe, and I would like to underline today, of great Europe, the building of Great Europe, great, united Europe, from the Atlantic to the Urals, from the Atlantic to Vladivostok, including all our territory, most probably a European-Asian space, this project is inevitable. I am sure that we will come to building a united military space as well. To say more precisely: we will build a united Europe, whose security will be based on the principles of collective security. Precisely, collective security’. These statements by key implementers of the strategy reflect the central strategic objective of asserting ‘irreversible’ Russian/Soviet hegemony over Eurasia, thus establishing the primary geographical component of the intended World Government.” — ‘The Perestroika Deception’, by KGB defector Major Anatoliy Golitsyn.

    http://www.spiritoftruth.org/The_Perestroika_Deception.pdf

    Now you know why the hated Communist Red Star is still placed on the bows of NEW Russian Naval vessels (and the wings of Russian military aircraft), and why the “electorates” of the 15 republics that made up the USSR continue to “elect” for President Soviet era Communist Party Quislings. There have been 52 such Presidential “elections” since the “collapse” of the USSR (as of July 1, 2013), resulting in 40 Soviet era Communist Party member Quislings being elected. That’s 76.92%! If the “collapse” of the USSR were legitimate not one such Quisling would have been elected President. In fact, such persons would have been either arrested in the interests of national security or shunned by society. Remember, Communist Party members made up no more than 10% of the USSR, and it was they who for 74 years persecuted the remaining 90% of the population.

    Imagine it’s March 1944 and the Allies receive a dispatch from Berlin that Hitler and his inner circle are dead, cremated, and the Nazi government has collapsed. Included in the dispatch are films of crowds in the streets cheering the death of Hitler, attacking SS soldiers and Gestapo and toppling statues of Hitler. What do you think the reaction of the Allies would have been? To pack up the war in Europe, demobilize the armies there? Ah, no. The Allies would have demanded that an occupation of Germany take place, where the Allies (1) could ensure that the Nazi government in Berlin had indeed fallen; and (2) prepare Germany, to the satisfaction of the Western Allies, to enter the pantheon of democratic nations. With that in mind….

    Or try this one out: After the collapse of the South African Apartheid Regime in 1994, the majority black population reelect for their Presidents only persons who were National Party members before 1994!

    Now you also know why immediately after the “collapse” of the USSR the United States wasn’t given Russia’s strategic nuclear weapons, including delivery vehicles, for safe keeping! Imagine that, the freed Russian people not ensuring their freedom against a Communist counter-coup with the assistance of Chinese PLA ground and air forces backing up Soviet Special Forces and Airborne Guards. If the “collapse” of the USSR had been real, then a freed Russia, for national security reasons, would have ensured that its nuclear weaponry was secured by United States military elements. That no such actions were taken proves that (1) both American political parties were co-opted by Moscow & Allies; and (2) the United States Armed Forces were not co-opted, otherwise elements of America’s armed forces would have been deployed to Russia in order to pretend to safeguard Russia’s nuclear weapons.

    In addition, the KGB agent Quislings that controlled the Russian Orthodox Church before the “collapse” of the USSR are to this day still in control. They were never identified and thrown out of that institution after the “collapse” of the USSR. The same is true for all other religious institutions in the other 14 republics of the USSR, including East Bloc nations, proving not only co-option of those religious institutions, but that the “collapses” of the East Bloc and USSR were disinformation operations:

    http://sofiaecho.com/2012/01/17/1747052_eleven-out-of-15-members-of-bulgarian-orthodox-churchs-holy-synod-worked-for-communist-state-security

    For those unfamiliar with this subject, the “collapse” of the USSR in 1991 was a strategic ruse under the “Long-Range Policy” (LRP). What is the LRP, you ask? The LRP is the “new” strategy all Communist nations signed onto in 1960 to defeat the West with. The last major disinformation operation under the LRP was the “collapse” of the USSR in 1991.

    The next major disinformation operation under the LRP will be the fraudulent collapse of the Chinese Communist government. When that occurs, Taiwan will be stymied from not joining the mainland. This is why China is buying up gold all over the word. It is believed that China currently has 3,000 [metric] tonnes of gold. When China has 6,000 [metric] tonnes it will have the minimum gold reserves necessary for its currency, the yuan, to replace the United States’ dollar as the world’s reserve currency, that is after the fraudulent collapse of the Chinese Communist government (the United States gold reserves is approximately 8,133.5 [metric] tonnes).

    For more on the “Long-Range Policy”, read KGB defector Major Anatoliy Golitsyn’s books, “New Lies for Old” and “The Perestroika Deception” , the only Soviet era defector to still be under protective custody in the West:

    https://archive.org/details/GolitsynAnatoleTheNewLiesForOldOnes

    http://www.spiritoftruth.org/The_Perestroika_Deception.pdf

    The following is an excellent brief three-page introduction to Golitsyn and his significance in understanding Communist long-range strategy:

    http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/archived/looking.htm

    • majorg1000

      Mr Jackson. As a former Missile Combat Crew Commander, not only are you wrong in your assumption that we enjoyed the testing process, but that this story has been somehow contrived to hide the overthrow of the Armed Forces.
      Take your conspiracy theories elswhere, You haven’t the knowledge or the credibility to attempt to speak on this issue.

      • http://www.DNotice.org/ Dean Jackson

        “Take your conspiracy theories elswhere…”

        If you are indeed a “former Missile Combat Crew Commander”, then (1) as a person who had a high security clearance, you already know the collapse of the USSR was a strategic ruse; and (2) know the difference between a theory and fact.

        Since I’ve proved that the USSR’s collapse was a strategic ruse, which KGB defector Major Anatoliy Golitsyn decades earlier warned the West would occur (!), that also means (1) Moscow & Allies had already co-opted the political parties of the West; because (2) otherwise the West would have demanded VERIFICATION of the “collapse”.

        But, as I said, this you already know.

        • majorg1000

          You have proven nothing. You are a tool.

          • http://www.DNotice.org/ Dean Jackson

            “You have proven nothing.”

            Actually, I did, and relatively succinctly I might add.

            “You are a tool.”

            Yes, I’m a tool of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, whose just blown the Long-Range Policy!

          • majorg1000

            No, not succinctly, nor in any other way. You believe you have some grandiose theory that explains the way the world works. You don’t. You are so paranoid to believe that there is some intelligence file on you that makes you out to be some super sleuth. There isn’t, and your not. You are wrong about the Missileers, and you are wrong about Russia. To think that we have no confirmation of the collapse is ridculous. We do…daily. To believe that you know missileers better than we know ourselves is nothing short of fantasy.

          • http://www.DNotice.org/ Dean Jackson

            “To think that we have no confirmation of the collapse is ridculous. We do…daily.”

            Since the West (1) refused to send civilian/military verification teams into the “former” USSR; and (2) refused to demobilize the Communist Party of the Soviet Union military officer corps, that means the West has ZERO confirmation of the “collapse”. That’s not a debatable point.

            Imagine it’s March 1944 and the Allies receive a dispatch from Berlin that Hitler and his inner circle are dead, cremated, and the Nazi government has collapsed. Included in the dispatch are films of crowds in the streets cheering the death of Hitler, attacking SS soldiers and Gestapo and toppling statues of Hitler. What do you think the reaction of the Allies would have been? To pack up the war in Europe, demobilize the armies there? Ah, no. The Allies would have demanded that an occupation of Germany take place, where the Allies (1) could ensure that the Nazi government in Berlin had indeed fallen; and (2) prepare Germany, to the satisfaction of the Western Allies, to enter the pantheon of democratic nations. With that in mind, re-read my earlier comments.

          • majorg1000

            Perhaps you are correct. Perhaps there is an Air Force Intelligence file with your name on it…clearly not for the reasons you think, however.

          • http://www.DNotice.org/ Dean Jackson

            “…clearly not for the reasons you think, however.”

            When one can’t fault the reasoning, one deflects with off-topic and trite remarks.

          • majorg1000

            Having been a Minuteman III Missile Combat Crew Commander during the Cold War, with a post graduate degree in History; plus keeping in touch with former and current Missileers, I believe I have much better insight into what is happening today…or has happened over tha past 30 years within the United States Nuclear Program. Your wild assumptions and clever guesses have nothing to do with the reality of the situation at hand. There is no “Soviet” or “Communist” domination of the United States, it’s political system, or any person elected by this country to national office. There was no occupation of the former Soviet Union after the collapse because there was no armed conflict. It was not needed and would only have been detrimental to any democratic, or reconstruction attempts. Sometimes nations have to discover democracy and rebuild themselves without US intervention. There is a tremendous difference between the Third Reich conquering huge areas of Europe and the resettling, rebuilding and government reorganization that went on after WWII, and the Domination of the Non Soviet Warsaw Pact nations after the Soviet collapse.
            Again, there was no armed conflict henceno occupation of a soverign nation.
            Lastly, although Missile Combat crew members are College Graduates, they have had background checks to ensure that they are fit to be given TS/ESI Clearances, and screened for psychological disorders, (something you should look into), before being allowed to be placed even into training. They are average human beings of perhaps above average intelligence, but certainly not exceptionally gifted or with extremely high IQs. We don’t like being micro-managed any more than anyone else, and we certainly don’t relish the constant testing we are require to do to maintain our proficiency. We put up with it because it’s part of the job. There is no room for error. This is a serious business.
            The men and women who have chosen this career are part of the overall defense of this nation, but are certainly not some last line of defense before the collapse of the republic. Only a fool would think that.
            Perhaps you should interview some active duty missileers before you forward your wild claims and bogus theories; actually garner some credibility to place behind your statements. As of now you have nothing that an intelligent thinking and reasoning person would accept as fact.

          • http://www.DNotice.org/ Dean Jackson

            “There is no “Soviet” or “Communist” domination of the United States, it’s political system, or any person elected by this country to national office.”

            Not only the United States, but the political parties of other Western nations were co-opted, as proved by (1) the failure of any political party in the West to verify the collapse of the USSR; (2) de-Communize the Soviet military, where 90% of the officers were Communist Party members; (3) the current phenomena of the political parties of the West destroying the prominence of the West in the world, thereby isolating the West by (a) kidnapping persons from foreign territory; (b) openly torturing individuals kidnapped from foreign territories; (c) committing acts of war by attacking foreign nations at peace with the United States; and (d) allowing the world to know the United States spies on everyone in the world.

            “There was no occupation of the former Soviet Union after the collapse because there was no armed conflict.”

            The “freed” Soviets would have been begging for an occupation by the West, fearing that the “collapse” was a ruse or that the Communist Party controlled Soviet Armed Forces would mount a counter-coup. Indeed, the West didn’t even demand for an occupation, a requirement for the survival of the West should the “collapse” prove a ruse! Imagine that, our “elected” representative and State Department unconcerned for the survival of the West by ensuring the “collapse” of the USSR was legitimate!

            “There is a tremendous difference between the Third Reich conquering huge areas of Europe and the resettling, rebuilding and government reorganization that went on after WWII, and the Domination of the Non Soviet Warsaw Pact nations after the Soviet collapse.”

            Again, in both instances the survival of the West is the issue here, not differences between the Nazis and Communists, or whether the West was in an actual armed conflict with USSR.
            National Security is the issue in both instances, therefore the West would have demanded that it be allowed to (1) verify the collapse of the USSR; and (2) assist the “freed” Soviets in removing the Communist Party dominated officers of the Soviet Armed Forces. That no such demands were made, and the “freed” Soviets failed to request assistance from the West, proves the political establishment of the West was already co-opted.

            “The men and women who have chosen this career are part of the overall defense of this nation, but are certainly not some last line of defense before the collapse of the republic. Only a fool would think that.

            I never said they were the last line of defense, and watch for more bogus, sabotage-intent stories to come out concerning the other two elements of the United States’ nuclear triad (1) bomber aircraft; and (2) ballistic missile submarines. Watch for revelations about bomber and ballistic missile submarine personnel “cheating”.

          • majorg1000

            What you are spouting is not only a lie, but reeks of treason.

          • http://www.DNotice.org/ Dean Jackson

            “What you are spouting is not only a lie, but reeks of treason.”

            Since I never swore allegiance to the USSR, it can’t be treason to the United States.

            Oh yeah, I forgot, the files the various military intelligence agencies have on me have me classified as a friendly naturalized citizen, not a traitor! As if! The United States has been very kind to me, and when I’m abroad, I can’t wait to get back to the United States, I miss it so much.

          • majorg1000

            Whatever you say. And, by the way, where does it say that a Former Air Force Officer has to be respectful toward civilians?
            I am a civilian too. To get my respect, just like everyone else, you have to earn it. You haven’t, not by a long shot.

          • http://www.DNotice.org/ Dean Jackson

            A military officer is always an officer, and officers are always polite to civilians even when the civilians are annoying. This training of always being polite was ingrained in your training. Remember?

          • majorg1000

            Did you swallow that whole, or did someone feed it to you bit by bit? You are wrong again.

          • http://www.DNotice.org/ Dean Jackson

            “What you are spouting is not only a lie, but reeks of treason.”

            Treason is not verifying the collapse of the USSR and East Bloc. Informing others of this fact is patriotism, as Paul Revere warned the American revolutionaries that British military forces were approaching. Paul Revere would have been a traitor to the British. Your logic is skewed!

        • majorg1000

          Sadly, you are confused about the red star as being emblematic of the Soviet Union. The two major iconic markings of the former Communist state were the letters “CCCP” and the “Hammer and Sickle” icon, not the red star. If the Communists were truely in charge of Russia…with all the trappings and displays that go along with that, someone else, long before now would have made the connection and we would have heard about it sometime in the past 20 years. The red star, like our white and blue emblem with a red stripe is purely for identification purposes; Like the British Roundel, or the German Maltese Cross.
          Muddying up the waters with alarmist BS neither helps solve the problem, nor remediate the issue.

          • http://www.DNotice.org/ Dean Jackson

            “Sadly, you are confused about the red star as being emblematic of the Soviet Union.”

            I said, “As you can see, the distinct Soviet era nationality emblem of the Communist Party…” And to be even more precise, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union WAS the nation of the Soviet Union. There was no distinction between nation and political party. You forgot your Political Science 101!

            As you also know, the distinct Soviet roundel is the Soviet nationality roundel of the SOVIET Air Force. It can’t be on Russian military aircraft. The same Soviet era Red Star is STILL on the bows of Russian naval vessels!

            “The two major iconic markings of the former Communist state were the letters “CCCP” and the “Hammer and Sickle” icon, not the red star.”

            The hammer & sickle is STILL on Aeroflot commercial aircraft, and Aeroflot is a part of the Russian Air Force, as it was a part of the Soviet Union’s Air Force before the fraudulent collapse of the USSR!

            Did you read my comment carefully?

            “If the Communists were truely in charge of Russia…with all the trappings and displays that go along with that, someone else, long before now would have made the connection and we would have heard about it sometime in the past 20 years.”

            I’m the first to make the connection, and you’re still blind to it!

            We also have the Russian Ministry of Defense’s official newspaper STILL being called “Red Star”, with the SAME four Soviet era emblems next to the masthead, one of which includes an image of Lenin!

            We also have the SAME Soviet era KGB agent Quislings in the leadership positions of all the religious denominations of not only Russia, but including the other 14 republics that made up the USSR!

            I’m also the first to discover the following in-your-face proof of the USSR’s fraudulent collapse:

            Presidents of Russia, Georgia and the Ukraine since the “collapse” of the USSR, and their political affiliation before the “collapse” (cut off date June 30, 2013):

            Russia:

            Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin – July 10, 1991 – December 31, 1999 – Communist.

            Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin – 31 December 1999 – 7 May 2000 (Acting) and May 7, 2000 – May 7, 2008 – Communist.

            Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev – May 7, 2008 – May 7, 2012, during his studies at the University he joined the Communist Party.

            Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin – May 7, 2012 – Present, Communist.

            Georgia:

            Zviad Gamsakhurdia – April 14, 1991 – January 6, 1992, not Communist (dissident).

            Eduard Shevardnadze – November 26, 1995 – November 23, 2003, 1948, Communist.

            Nino Burjanadze – November 23, 2003 – January 25, 2004, Communist.

            Mikheil Saakashvili – 25 January 2004 – 25 November 2007, Communist.

            Nino Burjanadze – November 25, 2007 – January 20, 2008 (Acting), Communist.

            Mikheil Saakashvili – January 20, 2008 – November 17, 2013, Communist.

            Ukraine:

            Leonid Makarovych Kravchuk, December 5, 1991 – July 19, 1994, joined Ukraine Communist Party in 1958.

            Leonid Danylovych Kuchma, July 19, 1994 – January 23, 2005, Communist, 1960.

            Viktor Andriyovych Yushchenko, January 23, 2005 – February 25, 2010, Communist, 1980.

            Viktor Fedorovych Yanukovych, February 25, 2010 – Present, Communist, 1980.

            As you can see, all were Soviet era Communist Party member Quislings, except for the first president of Georgia, Zviad Gamsakhurdia, a dissident who didn’t even last nine months in office before he was ousted in a coup, later said to have committed “suicide”. Since when do those once freed from a repressive regime elect for president the same people who were party members in the previous regime?

            You’re obviously feigning stupidity on this subject.

  • bebar

    I would really focus on what these people actually do on their job. How much
    down time is there? How repetitive is their job? How boring is it? There are
    certain jobs in the military that are ripe for these types of behaviors. If the job
    is completely boring and you have to perform that same job for a year or so, I
    imagine the leaders would have to instill some motivation via a challenge, excitement
    or something else. I was stationed in Alaska at a remote post, where we gathered
    information on potential Russian nuclear tests. We did 24 hour shifts by ourselves.
    Only 2-3 times during the shift were we actually required to do something. The
    rest of the time we simply “waited for something to happen.” I tried to keep awake, read magazines (we couldn’t watch TV), etc. but it was boring. If I worked several
    days a week with that job I would imagine I would go crazy from boredom. On the
    other hand, I had assignments that were very difficult and demanding but as a
    result, I was motivated and seldom bored. They might be cheating on the tests
    because the fear of being stuck in this type of job may be too scary. It is still
    not an acceptable excuse however.

    • http://www.DNotice.org/ Dean Jackson

      One more time: Blessed with exceptionally high IQs, Air Force officers revel in difficult tests, meaning the story is a lie. Didn’t you read my comment below?

  • feherszarvas

    I think man are doing great job, but many woman are more strait and unbendable character when they are in an important job. Man just stick together and say nothing to compromise the comaradeship

  • Mike

    I’ve been reading stories about crowds of paid GOP commentators being sent in packs to different sites. Looks like it is now our turn… Boy, sure won’t miss you guys… What gives these guys away is that they are such idiots, with a limited vocabulary… But, then again perhaps that is why they might be taking these paid GOP jobs, aye?…. :(

  • billy baker

    Fear is not a valid rationale for cheating and lying.

  • billy baker

    If fear has caused them to take shortcuts they are not suited for that position. They supposed to work for us and not themselves.

  • MiguelMaceda09

    Things haven’t changed much at Malmstrom over the years. Having been in Combat Targeting (31650H) and part of a 3 man team (one officer and 2 non com’s) there for three years and sent to Vandenberg to target two FOT shots that had the simulated warhead on one of the two MM2s hit 75 yards from dead center, I have seen plenty. Malmstrom had as many congressionals as there were days in the year. Career people with 16 to 18 years could not get off that base and got out to get away. It was bad then and i bet not much different. We had an E-9 who had the name “Detail Douglas” who had the job of pointing out dirt on the floor of the hanger at the 341st. We had virtually no days off and when they did give us so called days off, we were scheduled for hanger details, missile safety or nuclear safety classes or duty at a barracks. We on my team had TSC clearances, carried sidearms, transported TSC materials and equipment to sites that had no facilities and often were onsite for 12-18 hours and if lucky, were able to stop at a LCF and get a meal and see what a toilet looks like again and not have to watch out for the yellow snow and worse. Vehicles that often had broken heaters and mandated to use in sub zero weather….. traveling to sites to dig in when 30 below zero….. The point is that morale was the pits, and the LCC officers were often washouts from flight school as was our officer Capt Terry Higgins…..who had visual problems, but was a great guy and a real honorable officer. Enough said. Except that Malmstrom really did suck in how they treated their people…

  • Murigen

    Coming from the administrative side of this the test score issue doesn’t surprise me. If officers were led to believe, whether true or not, that the test score was part of their evaluation for promotion then they would certainly think they had to get 100%. That is unless things have drastically changed. OERs were a joke. If an officer didn’t get ratings of 10, have each evaluation section filled from corner to corner with glowing praise of their potential, at least two of the comment sections filled the same way, and have repeated over and over that they should be promoted ahead of their peers, they had no chance of making their next promotion. They would be passed over. If that happened twice for the same rank they were out. So yeah, they would do anything to get that 100%, knowing (or assuming) that the score didn’t mean they couldn’t do their job.

  • Kenny

    Humans lol

  • MiguelMaceda09

    Things at Malmstrom at the 341st maintenance squadron of the 341st Strategic Missile Wing have always had lousy morale and poor leadership. Heck, we called the career people flies and noted that they were the least educated, biggest brown nosers and couldn’t hold a candle to those under them. Our people in Combat Targeting all had TSC clearances, were highly intelligent and yet treated like low life. Days off were the days we had hanger duty, missile or nuclear saftey classes or some other duty and when on call, had to be available 24/7 and when on site, were often there up to 18 hours with no facilities of any sort or support. We worked on the MM2’s north west of Great Falls and had the responsibility of 50 missiles in the flights papa, quebec, romeo, sierra and tango. Often the officers at the LCF’s or LCC’s had decent duty, but also often were flight school wash outs, but good professional and patriotic men. The bad thing at Malmstrom again was leadership, as it was so bad that there were as many congressional investigations or IG investigations that they surmounted the number of days in the year. Bottom line is that our men and women doing that work should be applauded and encouraged and not all punished for the acts of a few who made the mistake of cheating. Even then, had they not cheated, they would have had good scores and they do not deserve to be booted. They all have been well educated, have TSC clearances and should have a chance to continue service.

  • MiguelMaceda09

    I guess the term “Missileer’s” is a name for LCC officers. There are two 2 man teams on site or at each LCF at all times with each team pulling 12 hour shifts and they are there as scheduled. To have only 190 is a hard number to believe. We were charged with the maintenance of 50 missiles and each LCF monitored ten. So that means that there were five LCF’s and 4 officers were on duty at all times or 20 persons besides the rest of the crew that maintained the LCF’s 24/7. When I was there, we had 200 missiles and the officers were kept busy.

    • majorg1000

      Miguel, Thank you for your service. Missile crews no longer pull 12 hour shifts over a 3 day period. I was on Missile Crew between 1980, and 1985…and even then two crew members sat in the LCC for a 24 hour shift. They found a way to seal the critical componemts that precluded tampering, and this allowed one crew member to sleep while the other monitored the alert Status of the Missiles. We pulled an average of 8 alerts per month as Line Crew, and about half that as Instructor or Evaluator crews. We were given a 24 hour rest period after being relieved by the oncoming crew…which started the moment they took over. Part of our rest period was taken up by the drive home from the missile field. The rest of the days, when we were not on alert, or on rest status was taken up with training, evaluations, testing, and miscellanious Squadron or Wing duties. Although I too was a flight school washout, which led me to Missiles, I would say that less than 10% of the crew force had attended UPT before being assigned to missiles. The vast majority of guys (and later women) were young officers looking for an Operational Command assignment that only flying or missiles provided. If they were not selected as pilot candidates ( and the number has shrunk even more than when I was in), Missiles was the only other operational career field open to them. Thank you again for your service.

      • MiguelMaceda09

        Thank you for your service too. I wish in our day that our guys were shown some appreciation by the public instead of what we were subjected to. Tens of thousands would still be alive and would not have committed suicide as so many did due to the abuse and lack of support of the vets at that time. I was stationed at Malmstrom between July of 69 and Aug of 72 and it was a good experience in life and in reality, I could write a book about what went on, but the public would be shocked as would be the media, the politicians and more in the military. I assume you know what a code change is or was. We had a General who thought he knew more than those under him and ordered a code change on a large number of missiles at the same time that caused many to go down or off line such that he eventually was busted. I was on a three man combat targeting team and like you, when we had days off, we had duty of all sorts, classes and more, so days off were a joke. One one occasion I was selected to help a Capt. Higgins who had gone UQ on an Eval. 3901st was there to evaluate our evaluation team and while I was uploading the targeting program, the control panel showed an indication that only I knew out of all of them which meant “Launch in progress”. I shut down the site with a few buttons and all hell broke loose. I was an E-4 and had more knowledge than the rest since I was trained by and old Tech Sgt. who took the time to teach me what they called “systems knowledge” that was not in any Tech Manual. Our eval team had two majors, an E-8 and an E-9 and 3901st a Lt. Col., a Maj, an E-8 and an E-9, so we were pretty crowded down in the hole. Since none had seen the indication, we went UQ and everyone was screaming at me for shutting down the missile. The next day on base, out tech division informed all that what I did was correct and as a result, I was given a thanks, we were reinstated as highly qualified and our eval team was graded UQ since they were being evaluated at the same time. After that, people higher up did not treat me well and I got out a few months later. I had put in papers to reenlist and at the same time train to teach. The Colonel was an ass and I still have the paperwork handwritten by him “the squadron commander” that stated “Airman has not indicated he will extend or reenlist to qualify for school”. I was glad to get out and away from so many stupid, ignorant and abusive people that were and are a shame to our military. The LCC officers should all be reinstated and if anything at all, just given a reprimand. And only those who cheated, not the rest. It did not take from their being qualified to serve.

        • majorg1000

          I agree with almost everything you have to say…almost. I remember being evaluated by 3901st SMES as well…not fun. The one thing I disagree with is reinstating all of those accused of cheating. Let’s face it, these men and women who man the LCCs are adults. They know the difference between right and wrong…or should, by the time they are placed into positions of responsibility such as pulling alert. Even if their Weapon System Knowledge is irrefutable they still chose to do something ethically and morally corrupt. They should not be put back into those positions of such grave responsibility.
          Having said that, I believe that those officers above them in the chain of command are culpable as well for fomenting the atmosphere which brought about this scandal. There is a lot of housecleaning that will have to go on. I was at Minot when the wing had two back to back ORI busts. It wasn’t pretty, or fun for anyone. This has the potential to be much worse.
          I wish you the very best, now and in the future.

          • MiguelMaceda09

            You do have a point and a serious one. But what about the rest that did not cheat, but did not tell or rat on the others that did? I really do not know the kind of test they were subjected to, but to be that intimidated to jeopardize their career had to be serious too. I didn’t let anyone intimidate me when in because I knew my job, did it professionally, with honor and have no regrets. Now if our politicians from the top down to include those in our military too would only get busted for being as you so succinctly stated, for being ethically and morally corrupt, we would probably be far better off today than we are. By the way, my name is Michael Mace, and though I had or have well over 200 hours of college education with a couple of degrees, I am a jeweler and have had my own business now for nearly 40 years.. Be well and hope you have had great success since serving in our Air Force. Respectfully…….. M. Mace

          • majorg1000

            Those not implicated in the cheating and drug scandal deserve the utmost support from everyone, military and civilian alike. Those caught in the no-man’s land of not cheating, yet not telling need to be examined on an individual basis and punished or exonerated as applicable. When I retired from the Air Force, I became a “stay at home dad” as my wife is a physician, and she took on the mantle of breadwinner. To keep busy I now collect and restore British Sports Cars (Triumphs to be precise, but can work on others), and keep up on my readings of history and current events.
            Stay well, my friend. It has been a pleasure meeting and talking with you.
            Bob

  • Alouisis1

    Can’t be a US only problem. To think, boredom could end the threat of nukes.

  • http://www.DNotice.org/ Dean Jackson

    The article reads, “Very tellingly, James admitted that the troops don’t really hear much from senior commanders or the civilian leadership of the Pentagon about the nuclear mission. This has been an increasing problem as the relevancy of the nuclear force seems less obvious to many in the public and in the military.”

    Pure rubbish! The men and women of Missile Command know that the Communists never left power in the USSR and that the political leadership of the United States was decades ago co-opted by Moscow & Allies (which is why the United States didn’t VERIFY the “collapse” of the USSR), meaning Missile Command personnel (1) could care less what the traitorous politicians in Washington, DC have to say about the relevance of their mission; and (2) want nothing to do with politicians. In fact, being in the company of a member of Congress, a missile command officer would have to report such a contact to his/her superiors.

    The article reads, “The missileers and the enlisted men who maintain and protect the missiles and their warheads also complained to her about micro-management by commanders.”

    More rubbish. Missile Command personnel EXPECT micro-management, since the survival of the Republic depends on it! Micro-management removes a lot of the pressure Missile Command personnel naturally feel, knowing it isn’t only them that stands between what’s left of the West’s freedoms and total Soviet domination.

    See my comments below for more on this neglected story…

    • majorg1000

      Your entire premise and every comment you have made on this thread is pure rubbish. I laugh that you can honestly say with a straight face that the US didn’t verify the collapse of the Soviet Union, when in fact we sent many military and diplomatic personnel to Russia after the fall, and still maintain a constant surveillance by sattelite and other means in accordance with the START Treaty.

      • http://www.DNotice.org/ Dean Jackson

        “I laugh that you can honestly say with a straight face that the US didn’t verify the collapse of the Soviet Union, when in fact we sent many military and diplomatic personnel to Russia after the fall…”

        Of course military/civilian officials went to the “former” USSR…to verify strategic arms agreements and transfers, but not to (1) verify the collapse of the USSR; nor (2) de-Communize the Communist Party-dominated Soviet military officer corps.

        As for START treaty compliance, what has that got to do with verifying the collapse of the USSR?

        • majorg1000

          As for START treaty compliance, what has that got to do with verifying the collapse of the USSR?

          And right there is where your entire theory begins it’s slide into oblivion.

          • http://www.DNotice.org/ Dean Jackson

            “And right there is where your entire theory begins it’s slide into oblivion.”

            It’s not a theory, as my comments below prove. God, you’re bullheaded!

          • majorg1000

            I am bullheaded because you are wrong. Irrefutably, and irremediably wrong. Every conclusion you have made has been pulled from your behind. Your arguments are specious and border on the absurd. You are preaching distraction and subversion.

          • http://www.DNotice.org/ Dean Jackson

            “Irrefutably, and irremediably wrong. Every conclusion you have made has been pulled from your behind.”

            Hey, a former Air Force officer is supposed to be respectful towards civilians!

            “You are preaching distraction and subversion.”

            Yes, against the USSR, and I never took an oath of allegiance to the USSR.

          • majorg1000

            Give me a quote from one MCCM that has said they “could care less about the traitorous politicians in Washington DC have to say about the relevance of their mission”, OR where it says in ANY Air Force Regulation that contact with a member of Congress “would have to report such a contact to their superior.” That is nothing short od a BIG FAT LIE. You mumble about traitorous politicians, yet you are the one insinuating the overthrow of our government. You sir are the Traitor.

          • http://www.DNotice.org/ Dean Jackson

            “You sir are the Traitor.”

            Tell that to the Russian Ministry of Defense and they can print it in their official newspaper, which is STILL called “Red Star” (!), with the SAME four Soviet nationality emblems next to the masthead, one of which includes an image of the great Soviet Union hero Lenin, the man who advocated the “liberation” of the world by any means:

            http://www.redstar.ru/

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  • Richard Nelson

    [QUOTE]……The general in charge of the Air Force’s nuclear missiles and bombers, Lt. Gen. Stephen Wilson, told us the remaining missileers now are standing 10 alerts each month, up from eight, and they are bringing personnel from the 20th Air Force to help with training and running the simulations personnel must go through……[UNQUOTE]

    GENTLEMEN… IT ONLY TAKES ~ONE~ TRAINED MUSLIM TO COMPROMISE AMERICA’S NUCLEAR ARSENAL…. I PRAY TO GOD ALMIGHTY THAT THE [QUOTE]…. personnel from the 20th Air Force….[UNQUOTE] BEING USED TO [QUOTE]…. help with training and running the simulations personnel must go through……[UNQUOTE] HAVE HAD THEIR IDENTITIES WITHIN THEIR MOUTHS CHECKED FROM SPHINCTER TO GOLDEN FILLED TOOTH TO BE IN THE POSITION THEY ARE BEING PLACED WITHIN…

    • majorg1000

      Actually, it takes more than one person of any nationality to compromise the system. There are literally hundreds of redundant safety features built into our weapon Systems…and the weapons themselves which preclude the very scenario of which you speak. The people themslelves have been checked and investigated,by a myriad of law enforcement and government agencies, and are under constant surveillance by the people around them. Perhaps before spouting your alarmist views, you should actually take the time to research and learn about the very systems you think you are knowledgeable about.

  • David Carter

    Well if you want to keep moral up you could start by not pulling the certification of those crew members who “knew” about the cheating and did not report. This fact has NOTHING to do with their competence to perform the mission! They should be counseled by their commanders and sent back to work. While they might contribute to the culture they are still capable by any objective standard. I do not understand how they have crews pulling 10 alerts per month, to do that they had to get some kind of waiver because you simply can not work that schedule and get your allotted crew rest, so now you are in effect punishing those who did nothing wrong.

    • majorg1000

      And therein lies the problem. In many people’s eyes, those who tolerated the cheating have in effect compromised their integrity. Competency and integrity have everything to do with the jobs these men and women do. By compromising their integrity, they have in fact done something wrong. Yes, it will be a strain on those who have to pull more alerts than usual for the few short months they are undermanned, but there are many ways to ameliorate the problem. The average “line crew” member pulls eight alerts per month. The crews assigned to the Instructor and evaluator shops pull an average of two to four alerts per month. Squadron staff have the requisite clearances, and can get up to speed quickly to meet certification requrements and pull alerts themselves…some already do. Then there is the ability to cancel personal leaves, Slow or stop PCS moves, and even bring certified crewmembers TDY from other wings to make up the shortage. I am sure that Senior leadership is looking at all of those things.
      The stsndard, objective or not, for crew members is high, and always has been. Being able to doy your job is more than just technical expertise. It is my educated opinion that allowing those who compromised themselves, either by cheating, the use of drugs, or by standing idly by knowing others did, will hurt morale much more if they are allowed to continue without any type of punishment.
      Having said that, I am sure, based upon my career in the Air Force, and my time as a Crew Member, each person accused with be looked at individually and either absolved or found culpable based upon their individual merits.

      • David Carter

        the point is I see almost no chance the crew members that “knew” will be dismissed from the crew force or Air Force and if you know that is the case what is the point of decertifying them. As long as the commander is confident they can do the job you should discipline them and then put them back on crew. I never said don’t punish them but an LOC in their record is probably enough. As for the cheaters, you don’t know they can do their job, so you decertify, re-eval and if they pass then after a letter of reprimand in their record they go back to work. Maybe you find a couple ring leaders and give them sort of non judicial punishment, red line, fine etc.

        Granted you can find ways to squeeze more alerts out of people but I am not sure how you get 10 alerts a month without busting crew rest. Just seems like a typical knee jerk reaction from leadership to anything that happens and the guys that are doing everything right end up getting the short straw.

        • majorg1000

          Decertification is a very minor measure. It literally takes a half hour to re-certify. The act of decertification precludes other, more detrimental methods of taking acrew member off alert.
          Clearly, the Commander has decertified them because he is not confident that they can “do the job”, and as it is his command, it is his discretion. You are probablu correct that an LOC will be given to those who didn’t actually cheat, or some other non judicial punishment, and they will be allowed to continue. The fact is, the Wing is still winnowing the wheat from the chaff at this point. Those who actually did cheat are another matter entirely. These are adults. Not only are they adults, but they have been given an awesome responsibility. They have compromised the very core of what it means to be a Missile Combat Crew Member. Their punishment needs to not only send a message, but it needs to set the standard for what this business is all about. As we have very few facts as to the actual cheating and the methods employed, it is my guess that those accused did something beyond merely compromising their integrity. We will have to wait to see what all the facts actually are and then what is done about it.
          I would like to think that this whole thing is the Command’s “knee jerk” reaction to a small and insignificant incident. My heart, and my experience however tells me otherwise.