Chinese artificial island landing strip

Chinese-built permanent “island” in South China Sea. Credit: CSIS

WASHINGTON: What began with a tiny artificial island built by China to stake a concrete claim in the South China Sea is fast on its way to becoming 600 acres of at least seven islands spread across the South China Sea. One of the most impressive is so-called Fiery Cross Island, the permanent structure above complete with an air strip and, perhaps, the ability to permanently station advanced weapon systems there to patrol the skies and seas.

Sen. John McCain made a point of asking Director of National Intelligence James Clapper about the Chinese actions just before the end of this morning’s Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on worldwide threats, calling the Chinese actions “a rather dramatic change.”

DNI Clapper told the SASC “this is a worrisome trend of the Chinese because of the tensions this is going to create in the South China Sea. They have been very aggressive about it.”

The biggest worry about these efforts by the Chinese is that they could base advanced aircraft and ships at some of these locations, trying to enforce their so-called Nine-Dash Line claiming most of the South China Sea. That would grant them the presumptive ability to block international shipping in an area every other country in the region — including the United States — says are international waters. It would also provide China much greater range to project power through the region.

“While Washington is focused on happenings in Europe and the Levant, China has spent the last year quietly building 600 acres of tiny islands across the South China Sea,” a Senate staffer said in an email. “As Director Clapper alluded to in his testimony this morning, they could use these islands to sustain a presence far from China’s mainland, deploying fighters, naval or fishing administration ships, logistics hubs, and even to deploy land-based anti-ship or anti-air missiles. Right now, we appear to just be watching all of this unfold while sending soft messages of our disapproval to Beijing and calculating that the costs of preventing further expansion are just too high. In another six months we could wake up to a far different operational and diplomatic situation in this maritime highway, where the Philippines and Vietnam are left with tangible reasons to question the resolve of our ‘rebalance’ and the field goal for America’s commitment to preserving the status quo continues to be pushed down the field.”

At the same time on the other side of Capitol Hill, the chairman of the House Appropriations subcommittee on defense was grilling the Navy’s top admiral on the balance of power with China, “which has done a remarkable job challenging us in the South China Sea,” Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen said. So, he asked, “do we still have the naval edge there?”

“Today, yes, sir,” answered Adm. Jonathan Greenert, the Chief of Naval Operations. But “if we go down the road we’re on [with sequestration], sooner or later, we won’t have it.”

Already, growled Frelinghuysen, we’re confronting the Chinese and they’re “denying us access to where we have traditionally maintained access [for] the world’s commerce.”

“Chairman, I can’t think of a place in this world of oceans that our Navy can’t go today. Nobody’s denying us anything,” Greenert retorted. But “if we go to budget control act numbers, it’s a different world, it’s a different situation.”

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McCain To DIA Director: “Very Disappointing” On Ukraine

Earlier in the hearing, McCain, sounding hoarse but still full of vim and vigor, slammed the newly confirmed director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, Marine Lt. Gen. Vincent Stewart, for his argument that Russia’s shorter supply lines would render US arms largely meaningless because Vladimir Putin could resupply his forces much more quickly than we could ours.

He told Sen. James Inhofe that the US couldn’t get weapons “there quickly enough to change the military balance of power on the ground. I think they will up the ante if we do any lethal aid or take any actions to boost the Ukrainians.”

Pressed by Sen. McCain, who was clearly unhappy with his answer, Stewart said the Russians could resupply its forces with “much heavier weapons” and get them to Ukraine much more quickly than could the U.SLt. Gen. Vincent Stewart DIA director testifies.

“It would be a race to arm and they would have a significant advantage,” he told the SASC.

He noted that keeping Ukraine out of NATO was a key foreign policy goal of Putin’s, which endeared him even less to McCain.

“I’m sure that Hitler felt the same way, Gen. Stewart, about Sudentenland and German-speaking people. I’m sure he felt exactly the same way as Vladimir Putin does,” the committee chairman said. “For you to say we can’t get lethal weapons there quickly enough, that defies logic, general.”

McCain said the Russians had similar advantages of shorter supply lines in Afghanistan. His final comment to Stewart: “Very disappointing, general.” Not what someone confirmed in mid-December really wants to hear.

 

Sydney J. Freedberg Jr. contributed to this story.

Comments

  • ycplum

    McCain is being an idiot. One train has the payload capacity of our entire fleet of C-5 Galaxies. Russia can over run a good chunk of the Ukraine before we could move heavy weapons/equipment (like an M-1 tank) from storage to the railhead and from there to an airfield and load a plane. And the Russians don’t need a train. The can simply drive across the border. Their armor and mechanized units are already near the border.

    • http://www.breakingdefense.com/ Martin Stewart

      Obviously, Senator McCain has a Hearing and Comprehension Problem!

      • http://www.breakingdefense.com/ Colin Clark

        I think Gen. Stewart was focussing on a strictly military level. The symbolic — as opposed to the tactical — value of Ukraine getting US weapons (couldn’t get European weapons coz no one but the French really have any left) would be hard to underestimate. But training 100 Ukrainian sergeants and 50 captains here on in Ukraine might be even more valuable to them, given their performance so far.

        • http://www.breakingdefense.com/ Martin Stewart

          Mr. Clark…Thanks for your comments and insight. I was under the impression that we were already involved in a low level tactical training mission in the Ukraine? Breaking Defense was recommended to me several days ago, and I have been very pleased with the level and professionalism of the comments and contributors!

          • http://www.breakingdefense.com/ Colin Clark

            The UK and US are doing some training. But I think bringing them here to build a corps of crucial tactical leaders would be very useful.
            http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/feb/24/uk-military-training-in-ukraine-symbolic-move-that-risks-russian-ire

          • http://www.breakingdefense.com/ Martin Stewart

            Mr. Clark – Thanks for that Link…An interesting article indeed. I seriously believe European efforts are the most logical steps to hopefully cause Putin to rethink his current actions. The forthcoming British effort to assist training Ukrainian Military Forces is a positive step, and one that should give Putin a bit of a pause? Bringing Ukrainian Military to the US could also pay good dividends, but I question if we have enough time to really affect much of a change?

          • SS BdM Fuhress ‘Savannah

            Colin you watch over this sight and censor it and stuff or just keep all us brains from wanting to kill those below us? My avatar there, Huffington Post Gestapa done away with me profile when I enlarged it also would not allow my mircro-bio to be Reincarnated Nazi ( a vision, Lord told me of reincarnation in 2005). That bio slipped though some on the live commenting but the other it told me to pick a new bio as cos I am not a Christian, Muslim or Atheist and they only allow those type of Micro-bio’s. But after the profile gone no more micro-bio slipping through on the live. I could still comment just no Avatar and then they jumped in bed with Facebook and I am not with Facebook and don’t want to be though that is a great thing, Zuck has done something wonderful for the world if he does not get a monopoly on the commenting on the net!

          • BestOfAll

            I agree with your assessment, stew. The intelligence level of the average poster on hear is light years ahead of some other sites. The stories and issues covered are also quite civilized. Very refreshing.

      • Jay

        Stewart is the first Marine in that slot.

        • http://www.breakingdefense.com/ Martin Stewart

          Thanks – I kind of thought that, but wasn’t quite sure. Congratulations to LTG Stewart!

    • Clausewitz

      His ignorance is astounding. Quite frankly I think he’s lost it. The NVA must have really done some permanent damage way back when.

      • mxyzyptylk

        Ad hominem attacks on McCain can’t change the fact that the entire right is behind him (at least when they can understand the arguments). Unfortunately, all he’s doing right now is undermining the President, which is probably what Vlad the Impaler is actually trying to do. Vlad has done a great job convincing everyone that the western alliance is militarily impotent, and he’s not (and why didn’t the Swedes force the Russian tickler planes to land?). We need some multilevel thought here and all we’ve been getting lately is stoneage rockshaking or absolute refusal to do anything. SF and Seals can’t do everything.
        And if you want to know about combat strategy, Why Not a Marine?

    • ycplum

      McCain wasn’t this bad before. Maybe there is something in the water in Congress? Either that or stupidity is contagious if there is a critical mass of idiots in one place.

      • BestOfAll

        Probably its a stage of advancing senility that is affecting BoomBoom McCain. But he’s always been a hawk…

        • ycplum

          Yes, but he use to be “reasonable”. He was always conservative, but moderately so. In any case, as a military man, he should know better – regardless of his political leanings.

          • BestOfAll

            Yes plum, BoomBoom has had a fairly good political ride and he sacrificed a lot for our country. But I do think its time for him to ride into the sunset…

          • ycplum

            I hate to say it, but that is a very real possibility.

  • China Lee

    China owns the South China Sea for eight reasons.

    1. The United States pledges neutrality on the issue of the South China Sea. The United States makes no claim to any South China Sea island or maritime territory. If the shooting starts, the Philippines is on its own. You can’t claim the United States did not warn you. The United States has been adamant about U.S. neutrality in the South China Sea for years.

    2. The Ukraine war proves that the United States will not lift a finger. The United States does not care about the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances or the redrawing of a European country’s border in violation of the United Nations charter. The United States will not fight a war against Russia. Similarly, the United States is not about to fight China over the South China Sea.

    NATO carved Kosovo out of Serbia. Russia is returning the favor in Georgia, Crimea, and Ukraine’s Donbas.

    3. If the U.S. thinks that you are a loser, it will dump you in a heartbeat. Former Georgian president Mikheil Saakashvili was recently denied a work visa in the United States. He’s a liability now to future U.S.-Russian foreign relations.

    4. China is busy building artificial islands and establishing an impregnable Maginot Line in the South China Sea.

    5. China has the shortest logistical lines. There is a massive Chinese naval base on Hainan Island. China will be able to bring the most firepower to bear in a South China Sea conflict.

    6. China has a SOSUS network in its bordering seas. This provides China with a huge advantage in detection.

    7. Any South China Sea battle will receive support from China’s land-based aircraft and missiles. With a KJ-2000 AWACS with L-band radar serving as quarterback, Chinese fighters will own the sky above the South China Sea. Additional support will come from Chinese DF-21D ASBMs.

    8. For argument’s sake, let’s assume China loses the South China Sea war. This would be a minor setback. Mass production of Chinese Chengdu J-20 and Shenyang J-31 stealth fighters will start in 2018. China will have technological and military dominance over the South China Sea.

    It’s a foregone conclusion that China owns the South China Sea. The military means are there today. In the worst case scenario, the military means will be there in five to ten years. Thus, China can keep on fighting until the latest military technologies are deployed in the South China Sea.

    • jeffrey exposito

      You appear to be a good nationalist Chinese patriot but your conclusions are based largely on speculation and wishful thinking. Qualitative speaking the US NAVY is far ahead of China. When has China ever fought a naval battle in the 20th century?

    • Clausewitz

      You touch on some good points. But your view is quite clearly biased and fails to take into account quite a few factors. The PLAN does not yet own the South China Sea region, and here are eight counter-reasons as to why.

      1. The US maintains active mutual defence treaties with several states in this region, including Japan and the Philippines (go take a look at the US Treaties in Force list if you don’t believe me). While the US may have an external position of neutrality regarding territorial claim arguments, make no mistake- if military action is taken against one of these states, the US Navy will be able to defend them.

      2. Ongoing discussions are taking place with regards to arming the Ukrainian government with heavier weapons. Some might think that the US and Europe will leave Ukraine to fend for itself- this is clearly not the case. The vast majority of European governments have found a new determination to stop Russian advances from going further than Ukraine, which is why combat formations in the Baltics and Poland are being renewed.

      3. I have no idea how the Georgian president being denied a work visa relates whatsoever to the notion that the US will “dump losers”. It’s a non-argument.

      4. This “Maginot Line” is not impregnable. Your use of 20th century fortress terminology aside, these sea bases are all very much vulnerable to attack. They act largely as unsinkable aircraft carriers, which have a lot of value in terms of theatre deployment, however it is possible to render them temporarily unusable and/or occupy them.

      5. Does it really? I don’t think so. Other states in the region have similarly short logistical lines. The US could pump as much gear as it likes out to Tokyo, Manila, Jakarta and Singapore in the prelude to any South China Sea conflict, ensuring the eventuality of a nice, clean pair of largely unmolested logistical lines. While I don’t doubt that China could bring a hell of a lot of firepower to bear in the region, I will reserve judgement on whether they can bring the “most” until I see the relevant improvements to the PLAN.

      6. SOSUS does not provide quite the same ground-breaking detection advantages that it did forty years ago. Theatre-deployable towed array sensor systems provide a highly mobile undersea detection system, alongside towed array sonar. These could be deployed quickly and easily by opposing forces in any South China Sea conflict.

      7. Again, other states in the area possess (or are capable of possessing) AWACS-type aircraft. More likely however, MPA would prove more problematic to Chinese forces. Armed with a combination of surveillance systems and long-range missiles, they would pose a formidable threat. Chinese fighter/bomber squadrons would certainly enjoy superiority within a certain range of areas, particularly where Chinese air defences are strongest, however this would be severely diminished when US Navy forces arrive in-theatre due to their powerful long-range AA weapons, not to mention carrier air wings. The ASBM variant of the Dong Feng may yet prove to be a game-changer but it remains to be seen whether it can perform well under real-world conditions.

      8. If China lost the first South China Sea war today, I believe they would wait quite a while before trying again, possibly until around 2030 when their technical and economic conditions had improved drastically. The fighters you refer to would not provide quite the same advantage in 2018 as you believe they will. Mass production of the F-35 is slated for the year after that, while the US already has a number of Raptors (and will have undergone considerable development towards their sixth-gen fighters two years after your J-20/31 have entered large-scale service, with a view to making your fighters effectively obsolete within six years).

      It’s never a foregone conclusion, as history proves. The military means are there now yes, but the critical mass necessary to wage such a conflict is not. Only once the PLAN has a fleet capable of matching the US Navy, AND all the other regional powers around the South China Sea, will China have gained mastery of this region.

      • Elvis

        While true that China is nowhere near matching the total military power of the US, and its true that even the facing only the combined forces of Japan & the US Pacific assets they would lose, it does not negate the fact that the way things are going they will emerge victorious in the struggle for the South China Sea.

        The problem is that they are not using their armed forces. Its their Coast Guard and the fishing armada that is being used, which is outmaneuvering the Filipinos & Vietnamese and causing them so much consternation. Add the fact that they are reclaiming islands & building up infrastructure, and they are establishing “facts on the ground” and with the patrols added to the mix creating a defacto sovereignty.

        Now if the nations of Southeast Asia were united and presented a united front when dealing with China, it would be a whole different situation. Problem is not even when Maoist China threatened Southeast Asia were they united. Today China is ASEAN’s largest trading partner and they are also the largest trading partner of a couple member states, and the 2nd largest of a few others. China investment has been steadily growing in that area, and so have their loans. Chinese tourism is also booming, increasing the economic importance of China to the region. The Chinese are even expanding their relations with the militaries of Cambodia, Indonesia, & Thailand (going so far as working with Indonesia’s defense industry). Not to mention that neither Thailand or Malaysia consider China a threat, and that Laos & Cambodia are more or less beholden to China.

        Regarding the state of China’s military and their tech. They are making rapid progress when it comes to their military technology, narrowing the technological gap with China faster than we expected. For example, we all know about the two Chinese stealth fighters, the J-20 and J-31. What most don’t know is that the Chinese have two more stealth programs, one appears to be a medium range (or intermediate range) bomber and the other one appears to be another stealth fighter designed to defeat the F-22. Other programs include EMP weapon designed to take out ABM systems, radio frequency weapons, rail gun technology, and laser weapon technology (all programs the US and/or Russia are aware of but we don’t know how advanced their programs are at this stage, only that they are spending a lot of money). We also have seen them rolling out anti-stealth radars (that we don’t know how well they work) and develop an anti-stealth drone called “Divine Eagle” (with multiple AESA radars).

        When it comes to the modernization of the PLA in general, it has also been impressive. They already have an integrated air defense system that the US considers near impregnable to 4th generation fighters though not a problem to 5th generation fighters. An extensive fiber optic network has been built for the PLA, and they have many old and newer subterranean air bases and naval bases (not to mention the underground “Great Wall” for their nuclear forces). We all know of the advances they have made in their anti-ship missile programs – from the ASBM to supersonic cruise missiles. Plus there are the new AEGIS-like destroyers being deployed.

        To me the most interesting recent developments have actually been in ASW and submarines, which will negate the advantage we have over China’s naval forces. Over the last ten months it has been revealed that the Chinese have been doing the following:

        1. Deployment has begun of the Y-8Q heavy ASW aircraft. It comes with a 7-meter long Magnetic Anomaly Detector (MAD) boom the longest out there, an electro-optical turret, & the ability to deploy 100 sonobuoys (enough to cover an area the size of Rhode Island). The plane itself has 5000 km range and is able to carry 10 tons, as in weapons.

        2. Variable Depth Sonar (VDS) is being added to their Type 054A frigates & Type 056 corvettes. Its my understanding that towed VDS under the right conditions can detect a submarine hundreds of miles away. It appears the frigates are also getting Towed Array Sonar (TAS), which are hydrophones on cables that are several km long.

        3. Testing of the new Type 093C conventional submarines with Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) which would mean the submarine doesn’t have to come up for air for several weeks. Comes with a improved acoustic reduction, a multi-spectrum photonics mast, & an improved shape (European style tower).

        4. Development of a new SSN (Type 095) with VLS tubes, & high frequency towed sonar array – which should also be quieter than the previous SSN class (which the USN says is as quite as the 1970s Soviet Victor III class).

    • Thomas Armstrong

      Does all of what you said mean that they have the right to march into Manila or Tokyo? The US MUST be prepared to exchange New York City or Chicago for these two allied cities–or the Baltics–or ANY NATO ally in Europe— or our alliances and treaties are meaningless!

  • Earl Tower

    McCain has some good points but is ignoring a few key realities. The Ukrainian issue is far more determined by the Europeans and the Russians not us. Strategically it is only of interest to us because it concerns our Eastern European Allies. ISIL is not a major threat to us either, but is a strategic interest because they are savages in need of extinction. The South Chinese Sea is a serious strategical interest of ours, but any rough handling of that issue will ruffle Chinese Communist feathers so bad that the only recourse will be eventual war in the future. The blunt truth is American politicians, diplomats, and military leadership for the past 20 years just have not really handled the world affairs with any finesse what so ever. Both this Administration and the last have been two of the most incompetent foreign policy Presidents of the last 150 years.

    • http://www.breakingdefense.com/ Martin Stewart

      Earl – Excellent Comments! I would add that American Politicians, Diplomats, and Military Leadership for the past 50 plus years have demonstrated a total lack of finesse concerning world affairs. Starting with the Cuban Missile Crisis and President Kennedy, we have had a series of Presidential Decisions and Blunders that have come extremely close to creating a Nuclear Firestorm in the US and other Nations. Each successive President since Kennedy has seemed to carry a Torch of War and Destruction. Our Foreign Policy seems to have evolved to the Military Option as the Only Tool of Diplomacy. The US has indeed become that Big Bully in the Schoolyard, and I fear that the next President with the support of Congress will be the one that will finally end Human Life as we know it today!

  • AKO

    American capitalists consider only short-term benefits

    • Clausewitz

      I so capitalistiche.

    • SS BdM Fuhress ‘Savannah

      Yes take the money and run, find the young babes before they get old and enjoy. Run out go do it again. Hurts somebody hey toss them some loose change while they are looking for food in the sewers.

      • Elvis

        Hey, you only live once. Since you can’t take it with you, burn it all up on drinks, parties, electronic goodies, fast cars, vacations, drugs (if you are daring or crazy), & hotties. Especially hotties, oh yeah.

        • SS BdM Fuhress ‘Savannah

          I’ll go with all that but the drugs and as long as the daring is not suicidal. Only live once then you are reincarnated many mnay times, it does not end I think. A little of that slips back through ( saw myself as a Nazi soldier from the previous incanation/ Lord told me of reincarnation in 2005, ‘maybe not in this lifetime’ ) and also I think maybe some towards what you are in your next incarnation. My brother did Elvis shows, he died young of an anewrism. He also at one time was around a guy who more looked like Elvis and sounded dam good. I think I cry’d when Elvis died, was a fan of his movies. Me and my brother use to play those roles as the movie Roustabout. My brother was as good a musician that every walked on this planet, just never could get big. I write good songs but not into taking orders or have friends so those who hear them or limited. Enjoy the hotties before they get old, Man a girl named Georgette, as hot a bod as there was and then here comes time!

          • Elvis

            Lol, cool. If reincarnation is true like the Buddhists believe that would be awesome especially since you have the potential to ascend higher than even the gods themselves according to Buddhist mythology. Since I was raised Catholic (lapsed though), I have to go by what I was taught in Sunday school.

          • SS BdM Fuhress ‘Savannah

            Elvis I don’t believe you can even get to Gods level, he goes by Lord, ‘call me Lord’. I was maybe 3 feet away when he talked to me, did not see now. Screwed me up for awhile of course, the Lord taking his time to drop in on a poor sucker as myself. His book is in the Clouds, a vision I saw while walking out a building being able to see through the ceiling of that building. Stuff with the Lord been coming since ’82, very sparingly over that time period. But no penalties to be a Catholic, what kind of Lord would have penalties? Hey if the Pope ever drops in on you steal his F-40 Ferrari, come and get me and we’ll run up to Burgers and Shakes. You can go to penance later with the gent, the New Pope seems a step up from the others. In my view they need a young sexy hot Pope, wonder if Katy Perry is a Catholic? My vehicle is a bicycle these days, 12 miles to Lexington Ky a bit too far for a near 60 year old guy.

          • Elvis

            Hilarious, nice break from serious conversation.

          • 10579

            Time for some levity, do you know Jim Tom ? He makes ‘shine in Harlin County.

          • SS BdM Fuhress ‘Savannah

            Nah but I knew Bill Haddix a mountain man. We got playing with that guy when he was new at work, took his cap from him and was playing catch-keep-away and saw real quick we was playing with a guy who was going to kill us if we did not give him his hat back! Jim Tom as that? Bill when we knew him and him us turned out to be a great guy. He was a good mechanic. Came over to my house in the rain and put a rear end under the ’70 Cuda for higher top end speed. We then took it out near Green Acres on the straight stretch. Was coming back towards town at almost a 100 miles and hour and the wind nearly blew us into the concrete supports on the little bridge. A beautiful honest guy. I hope if you know Jim he is like that. I don’t drink or do drugs, study metaphysical stuff, astral projecting, lucid dreaming. Am creative , write songs, made 9 campaigns for the morphed version of Panzer General 2. These days try to take care of a herd of cats and deal with that Lord guy, not fanatical about that but to me it is the Lord.

          • 10579

            Hang in there bud with the help of the Lord,better times are coming.

  • George King

    McCain would never use the Jew Palestinian comparison even though that is more apt. http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2015/02/letter-from-a-reader-to-his-congressman/

  • Midway1942

    We should think about helping our friends in the Region build islands to solidify their claims to the waters. What the Chinese are doing is CRAZY SMART. They are expanding what they learned from the Paracel incident. It would be smart of us to consider mobilizing our Army Corps of Engineers and the Seabees in an effort to build about a dozen islands in those waters to counter this threat of naked Chinese Expansionism.

    • Dr Transmitter

      It’s smart yeah but it’s only significant in terms of Chinese near-sea defense strategy. They need (and I stress the word need) these mini-airstrips as a means of expanding their ability to wage war as close to Chinese-dominated areas as possible and preferably within range of their mainland so as to keep their supply lines short.

    • SS BdM Fuhress ‘Savannah

      We better go build some islands for those we fought on in WW2 cos those are sinking, we put too many holes in them. They still have people living on them I think.

  • SS BdM Fuhress ‘Savannah

    So John we dress some guys who love this country up in Russkie uniforms, attack the islands and we got what we want, Russia and China killing each other as we set by and see who the wounded survivor is then put them out of their misery. Or how about a B-2 strike with a tactical nuke, who would know? Later when it is time to investigate we drop another tactical nuke dud with the messages wrote on ‘The Kremlin says Nyet’! So much for us to do in the future!

  • Elvis

    Senator McCain is obsessed with China & Russia. The truth is we can’t do much in regards to China’s salami slicing in the South China Sea. They are pulling it off brilliantly. Making matters worse is their rapid modernization of their air force and navy, the deployment of a national integrated air defense system, their ramping up of ASW capabilities, the expansion of their anti-ship arsenal, & the steady closing of the technological gap with the US armed forces. To top it all off, Southeast Asia appears to be incapable of uniting to solve their differences and present a united front to the Chinese. They are actually trying to have it both ways – booming trade with China as well as wanting investments and loans from them while desiring an American presence in the region to act as a balance.

    Same situation applies to Ukraine. It’s right next door to them and while they blew the handling of the Maidan protests, they’ve pulled off their “hybrid” war perfectly. Neither the Ukrainians nor NATO appears to know how to handle this type of asymmetrical warfare. We also appear lost in how to deal with their propaganda. Unwilling or unable to financially help the Ukrainians. Unwilling or unable to end all commerce with Russia, or cut them off completely from the international banking system. Making matters worse, the Russians have real support in eastern Ukraine & the Crimea, and a large minority in western Ukraine doesn’t want to fight the Russians. Corruption in the Ukraine is even worse than in Russia and they are failing to reform the economy. Not only that but they are still trading with Russia despite the hostilities. Finally, the there are neo-fascist elements in the new government and some of the most effective volunteer battalions are also neo-fascist.

  • J.D. Heyes

    Honestly, it’s getting harder and harder for me to take McCain seriously. He seems to want to expand the U.S. military presence everywhere at once, without taking into consideration 1) we are wearing out our military systems faster than we can replace them; 2) replacement programs are having difficulty getting funded; 3) we’re shrinking, not growing, our ground forces; 4) we’re shrinking, not growing *(yet) our navy; and 5) there seems to be little effort to convince our European allies to spend more for their own defense. I get that the economy Europe-wide is moribund, but jesus H, Putin has been ploughing resources into rehabbing his own military for more than a decade and still, EU member nations dithered.

    McCain seems to have far too little tolerance for any worldview other than his own and honestly, I don’t really care that he’s chairman of this or senior member of that; he’s one senator and one who has, IMO, served far too long.

    • 10579

      We are proping up China.We buy so much of our toys from them.They build our computers, TV’s,Kids toys,smart phones (i phones from apple) our pet food.We ship them tons of poultry for prosesssing, that we buy back in our supermarkets.Jobs that we could be doing here but the CEO’s , and Corporate America don’t want the citizens of this nation to have. This keeps us in line and under their will.The other way we enhance China is our debt.China is into us for a lot of coin.We are bolstering Chinas economy.What a great place this America is.

      • 4567654

        You buy so much of what? All those outsourced products? Sorry to let you know but China doesn’t make a lot of money when US corporations outsource and that makes the majority of exports from China to the US. Tensions between Japan and China over islands sent trade between the two in a free fall. Japan went into a recession. China didn’t feel a thing. Why? Because over 70% of exports from China to Japan were from Japanese companies outsourcing to China. Japan is a small example of the US. Is Apple a Chinese company? It’s made in China? You actually think the profits from every iPhone sold goes to China? No it goes to Apple. Why don’t you look at Forbes richest Chinese list. It’s funny that you think China needs the US but China’s richest have nothing to do with outsourcing. How does that happen if you think China is bolstered by American buying what actual Chinese products again?

  • Carter Lee

    Modern conventional war is based upon logistics. This fact is common sense (probably why McCain doesn’t fully understand this point) that Russia can far more easily move heavy and more sophisticated weapons into Ukraine along with trained specialists than can we.

    Ukraine’s army has demonstrated a particular incompetence in combined arms operations and even in basic infantry tactics so adding more advanced weapons to their arsenal will add little to their capability.

    Russia will easily match any increased military capacity advanced by the west. That means Ukraine will suffer militarily far more than Putin’s forces.

    Russia controls the tempo of the war and it is unlikely they will allow that advantage to slip from their hands.

    There will be eventually a solution out there but it likely will not be a solution based upon Ukraine’s military achievements but rather a diplomatic solution with Germany the master of ceremonies.

  • ycplum

    About the only way McCain did not have a minor stroke is if he had mistaken our mass logistic capability with that of rate of delivery. The US is a logistics monster without equal. We can move more military gear to anywhere in the world and faster than anyone else can. In some cases, we can move a military force larger than the total military of many small to mid-size countries. Some have ranked our Navy has having the fourth or fifth most powerful air force in the world.
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    Given time, we can transport and MAINTAIN more troops and equipment in the Ukraine than Russia can. The USSR never had more than 120,000 (or so) troops in Afghanistan, which they share border. Why? There economy and logistics train could not support more than that. However, the Ukraine problem has a clock. We can not get enough equipment to the Ukraine before Russia overruns the Ukraine.
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    I use to own a Dodge Neon and was part of the Neon Forums. Some members would go “pony baiting”. Stock or with just a few bolt on mods, a Dodge Neon (N.A. 4-cyl., 2.0 L engine) could beat a Fox body Mustang 5.0 (5.0 L V-8) from 0-60. Depending on the mods, the Mustang will catch up and pass a Neon somewhere between 80 mph to 100 mph. The analogy is the same. We can get and maintain more forces in the Ukraine than the Russians can, but by the time we are ramped up and get there in any quantity, the race is over.

    • http://www.breakingdefense.com/ Martin Stewart

      plum….Your last Sentence says it all Sir!

  • John King

    The Chinese are just doing what they learned from us Americans. Hawaii, Midway Island, Guam, Samoa. That’s our western island defense chain. And all confiscated illegally from the local residents. (Look at Hawaii. US Navy illegally took control of foreign country at the behest of local pineapple growers and cattle ranchers.) Putin is just redrawing the Russia border a little farther west, something he probably believes should have been done properly in 1991. ISIL, why are we concerned about a small bunch of religious fanatics? If they are so troublesome, the Turkish and Jordanian armies should sweep in on them from the north and south and crush them. Why they’re NOT doing it should a warning bell to us to stay out.

  • Racin8de

    Why John McCain? This is man is so un conservative and playing stupid it’s sickening. I bet McCain feels like the Bull in the China Shop questioning this General. How the fck on earth can anyone do their jobs if they do not have the damn tools to carry the mission out. I mean really, McCain loves nothing more than having the man by the balls then continue to berate him before the panel about how disappointed he is to hear that the US could do almost nothing if Russia decided to drive deep into Ukraine. Why are we even in Ukraine to begin with? to accomplish what? Russia could care less where the US has forces and equipment, they have showed us time and time again that they will meet force with force, just like they did when they disabled the Donald Cook with ” our state of the Art ” Aegis missile defense system…It is one thing to know we are unprepared to Face off with Putin in Ukraine, but to knock a 3 star General down for something that has been told to the SASC time and time again since Russia invaded Ukraine…..Whos side is McCain really on, and to think he was a former POW wearing the US uniform is a total disgrace ~

    • 10579

      Do we not have a military and mechanized force in Germany?I know we still have an air force base staffed by military personnel.Germany is not all that far from Ukraine.If we have a mechanized force why not let the Ukrainians use the equiptment.Lend lease?

  • Michael Mehalko

    It’s as if our leaders are shocked that there are actually responses to our provocations in the ‘Pivot to Asia’ and the the U.S. sponsored coup in Kiev. Maybe this is because were not picking on some banana republic in our own backyard. The ignorance of both McCain and O’bama, along with the rest of our senior leadership is appalling.

  • Curtis Conway

    “Why are we even in Ukraine to begin with? to accomplish what?”.

    The United States [and others] signed an agreement guaranteeing the sovereignty of Ukraine if they gave up their nuclear arsenal. They did and we aren’t.

    Russian [having signed the agreement] is in direct defiance of the agreement. The Europeans hands are tied or Putin will just turn off their Natural Gas again, so the US is left to act. We will either rise to the challenge of defending this democracy or not. it appears the forces of totalitarianism is winning. The spirit of the comments below reflect lack of knowledge, ethics, and an attitude of charity for the plight of those whom have a future we guaranteed.

  • Reginald Bronner

    Why are we worried about an aircraft carrier that cannot get underway or hide?

  • Paracale Miner

    The Philippines should prepare for war on china, Either we like or not we will go to war war with china…

  • Curtis Conway

    where is the international community that condemns anyone destroying live rock (choral reefs)? Chinese buy them out?