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Yesterday, at a subcommittee hearing attended by just half a dozen Senators, the Pentagon’s top weapons buyer made a blunt admission: The military’s most expensive program, the stealthy F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, has been hacked and the stolen data used by America’s adversaries. Under Secretary Frank Kendall didn’t say by whom, but the answer is almost certainly China, a cyber superpower whose People’s Liberation Army Air Force has recently rolled out some suspiciously sophisticated stealth fighter prototypes of its own. The Russians also have skilled hackers and “5th Generation” stealth jet programs, but they’re not suspected of such direct copying, at least not yet.

“I’m confident the classified material is well protected, but I’m not at all confident that our unclassified information is as well-protected,” said Kendall, the Under Secretary for Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics. “It’s a major problem for us…. What it does is reduce the costs and lead time of our adversaries to doing their own designs, so it gives away a substantial advantage.”

The bad news isn’t new news: That someone had hacked F-35 subcontractor BAE Systems was first reported six years ago, and just this February Washington Post reporter Ellen Nakashima obtained leaked information naming the Chinese as having compromised not just the F-35 but two dozen other weapons program. Administration officials have been publicly pressuring China to rein in its hacking. But it’s still remarkable that such a senior official would so bluntly admit that US interests have been so directly harmed.

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  • PolicyWonk

    But having gotten rid of all the alternatives in the name of efficiency and cost savings, we have no choice but stick with the F-35, despite its inefficiencies and cost overruns — what Under Secretary Kendall has called “acquisition malpractice” — if we want to stay in the stealth fighter business. And with all our eggs in one basket, an enemy who hacks into a single weapons program will have dangerous insights into the majority of our future fighter fleet.
    =================================
    If this is who we define “cost savings”, I weep for the future of this nation. We’re done for. The only good news about the theft of F-35 secrets is that our testing (at least according to the last round published by Aviation Week) isn’t going well. So maybe the Chinese are copying our mistakes…

    There are so many things wrong with this…

  • Peter

    The U.S. had many (older) alternatives for fighter designs: F-16XL, F-15SE, F-16 Block 60, F-16I, X-29, X-31, X-36, and of course the losers such as the YF-23 and X-32.

    As for the F-35’s secret design, gee, that is funny and ironic. Hasn’t China been making PLASTIC MODEL KITS of the F-22, F-117A, B-2, LCS, Arliegh Burke, V-22, M1A2, and F-35 for years now? It’s no secret…you can find and buy these kits online….and they’re made sometimes even before the actual system is built and in service. How many of these advanced weapons systems have a Chinese-made plastic model kit sitting on the CEO’s desk as the actual vehicle is being built outside? Just goes to show that if China is able to make these planes in scale plastic for cheap, then sure, bet they can make them in full scale too. I take it those plastic model kits are pretty darn accurate and to scale with complete interiors, exteriors, and assembly instructions. Japan also makes awesome detailed and accurate plastic model kits as well. Of course the secrets aren’t the actual shape in plastic model kits, but I am saying that the design and shape have been out for a while now. I mean the USA sure doesn’t make these plastic model kits, so the shape, design, instructions, and technical info have already been exported in the form of hobby kits. Even Defense companies probably paid China to have their logo used. This goes to the notion that hardly anything seems to be “Made in the U.S.A.” much anymore. Sure, the U.S.A. may make the real thing, but the scale toy version is made in China.

    And the aviation magazines on bookstore shelves already have nice cutaways and interior drawings showing struts, instruments, aviations, and systems inside, all for public buying.

    Granted, stealing secrets is more than just getting the shape to make a scale model, much more. But if there’s such a thing as National Security, then why is it that these kits are being made and sold to the public? I mean just take a look at this “StealthHawk” kit which is made in China…plastic shapes and guesswork done in China. If the Chinese could design it in plastic for a small size, then sure, bet they could do the same in large size just by copying some drawings.

    http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A0oGkkVxbMNRTEIABDFXNyoA?p=stealthhawk+model+kit&fr=yfp-t-900&fr2=piv-web

    • 13mark

      Our reliance on Japan for the electronics in our aircraft has been around for decades. We can dream up all kinds of cool stuff but we can’t make all the components. We are not as smart as John Q. Public has been led to believe…

  • Don Bacon

    Our fighters close in on the enemy, the bad guys push a button, and all
    our systems shut down, crippled by cyber-attacks via “back doors” previous hacks created in the security software.

    Is it possible that this is what Hoss Cartwright had in mind a year ago?

    We built the F-35 with absolutely no protection for it from a cyber standpoint.

    Nah, couldn’t be. Frank Kendall said so. (snark alert)

    Kendall made clear that classified data has remained secure.

  • Guest

    Nothing has been or will be safe since this adminstration has been in the White house..it is filled with enemies…

    • Mark Samuels

      The claim was from six years ago, thus under the Bush administration.

      • Republic

        After 6 years you still blame Bush. The clown in the White House now should have corrected the problem.

        • POSMYTHE

          it is BUSH”S FAULT

          • Connie Fay Bissonnette

            Well hell in that cast its Clintons and Bush Sr and then Reagan lets just blame every president and leader before that way we can work our way back to King George and blame the British. If you are the leader and fail to fix the problem or even try as Obama has failed to do it becomes your problem and issue. As of this point and the last 5 years its been Obama fault.

          • Dennis Mullins

            Obama is in office and has been, he should have done something to stop it, if they knew about it 6 years ago, then he knew about it for the last 5.

        • Bubba Wills

          I don’t know how old you are but you can blame your racism on your parents and I am sure you were raised longer than 6 years ago , so what is your point about 6 years.

          • KheSahn068

            Racism? What racism? I don’t know how old YOU are but If anybody is racist, it is you. Just because the “clown” happens to be part black and part white, what is racist about that? Noting said until your comment. What a village idiot!

          • Connie Fay Bissonnette

            Wow Bubba 2 times I seen your posts here and both times you have yet said anything useful other then insult and run you mouth for no reason keep going every time you post we get a better picture of your disability and lack of mental stability.

          • Dennis Mullins

            My POINT IS OBAMA HAS KNOWN FOR % YEARS AND DID NOTHING!!!

          • Dennis Mullins

            And by the way, exactly WHERE is my “racist” remark?!?!? except that Obama is doing all he can to destroy this country, I have no other problem with him, DUMOCRAT is NOT a race and they all want to give MY HARD EARNED MONEY TO THE LAZY, where I am from, (Washington State) welfare recipients MUST show proof that they did something to EARN it, you see, Republicans don’t pay people for being too lazy to earn a living, like the DEMs do.

        • PolicyWonk

          The white house cannot correct the problems on their own – there has to be cooperation from the houses of representatives.

          Yet we are saddled by the worst-performing HoR in US history – by far – that has failed miserably to correct the problems they created from 2002-2008. Furthermore, despite the worst presidential performance in over a century (according to every Presidential Ranking Study conducted since, let alone world opinion regardless of friend or foe) the GOp still resented losing the White House in 2008.

          And once the current incumbent was elected, the GOP clearly stated its primary goal: to ensure this POTUS would be a one-term POTUS. Since then, they’ve stood in the way of every effort to get the economy moving; Mitch McConnell and John Boehner went on Fox before the health care debate even began, to say: “no matter how man of our ideas they use; no matter how good for the nation; no matter how much money it saves – we’re going to do everything possible to torpedo health care reform.

          As George Washington put it: :the true enemies of the United States are those who put their party politics above the good of the nation…”.

    • ken

      That someone had hacked F-35 subcontractor BAE Systems was first reported six years ago,
      “this administration?”
      Who was Pres 6 year ago?
      Not much on comprehension, eh?

      • Connie Fay Bissonnette

        Just because they hacked it 6 years ago doesn’t mean they got what the were looking for then and hasn’t hacked it since.

        • TimJoFred

          Q: You know what is worse than an apologist for the Bush2 Junta?
          A: An apologist that hasn’t got a clue, is unable to connect the dots, can’t be honest about the truth, and just simply makes it up as she goes along.

          • Dennis Mullins

            Gee, that sounds JUST LIKE OBAMA you are talking about!

          • TimJoFred

            Is that really all you got? Gee, that sounds like every other ignorant teabagger moron.

    • Bubba Wills

      Your low information response to this problem make you appear like a high school drop out . We have a military whose brass is loaded with West Point , Naval and Air Force Academy grads and you where did you go to get your opinion you are smarter than they.

      • Connie Fay Bissonnette

        Just because you attended a Academy doesn’t make you right. Maybe these accused rapist at the Naval Academy should opinion should should also be taken over his since that’s your argument.

      • Dennis Mullins

        Hey Bubba, your MORON is showing, like it has bees said, it is better to keep your mouth shut and be presumed ignorant, than open it and remove all doubt

    • Connie Fay Bissonnette

      Actually blame cant blame just Obama people nbeen stealing our secrets long before him. He is just the newest leader to not give a shit.

    • TimJoFred

      Hey genius, the secrets were lost 6 years ago when the Bush2 Junta was in the WH. Learn how to read, get a clue, connect the dots, and then be honest.

      • Dennis Mullins

        Hey genius, that means that he only knew about it for a year, Obama HAS KNOWN FOR 5 YEARS and did NOTHING!!! who is worse, the one that knew for a year, or the one that knew for 5 and did nothing?

        • TimJoFred

          Are you really that mentally addled? How does Obama “untell’ a secret? How do you know he did nothing? Why would he tell you or any other moron what he was doing to reinforce weapon development secrets? How does he unring the bell that the Bush2 Junta rang? Every time you post you just put your ignorance and lack of logic on display.

  • edwallace

    folks I remind you of the disaster called the F111 aardvark that worked out just fine for the navy as a carrier fighter/bomber so well that the U.S. Navy gave tem to the air force they were that bad I see the joint attack fighter going the same way

  • Silsez

    How do they train those guys, with old Keystone Kops movies?

  • Harold P

    If the government was treated as a business someone or several people would be fired. There is no excuse for allowing top secret information to be hached by any foreign government.

  • fran01

    TheUnited States government has to stop privatizing itself. Business is
    about profit. They will do anything and go anywhere to decrease its cost.
    How many departments have been outsourced to China to save money. Chinese
    government didn’t sneak into our systems, We gave them the keys to the
    front door. We will continue to lose our technology if we continue down
    this path. We may have built this country on capitalism and the entrepreneur
    spirit, but unbridle capitalism will cause our downfall.

    • Stephen Cobb

      Yeah, you are right. Government employees would never let secrets escape. :p

    • Are you really that big of a SHEEP to think this is a truly a capitalist country the you lost because its a PLUTOCRACY (which means ruled by the rich)which is similar to crony capitalism which is a term describing an economy in which success
      in business depends on close relationships between business people and
      government officials. It may be exhibited by favoritism in the
      distribution of legal permits, government grants, special tax breaks, or other forms of dirigisme. Crony capitalism is believed to arise when political cronyism spills over into the business world; self-serving
      friendships and family ties between businessmen and the government
      influence the economy and society to the extent that it corrupts public-serving economic and political ideals.

      • mithat

        Thanks for your comment. Meantime here are some great F-35 photos:

        F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Pictures

      • Gear-shone

        Shawn, you da MAN! Tell it like it is. Power to the You Ess Peeps! This is exactly why we need to, we must, bring back the draft. After the draft, young Americans lost their will for REVOLUTION. It’s TIME TO REVOLUTION, TIME TO REVOLUTION, TIME TO REVOLUTION (Jefferson Airplane, bless it’s cute little point nose and it’s ornate Victorian gingerbread. Yes, can you imagine, a sky full of flying turn of the 20th century, bombers cleverly disguised as 1900 three story Victorian homes, cleverly copied-Chink Style- from a gentrified neighborhood of Haight-Ashbury…why, they’d be obliterated before they knew what was happening, sorta like when the asteroid of 66 billion BC struck the Earth.

        • Totenhawk

          POTHEAD TRAITOR

    • disqus_cczHVJhqgY

      Do you really think that the US is stupid enough to allow Chinese make advanced weapons like F-35?

  • Chain Link

    So much for “nothing to fear, but fear itself.”

  • NTH

    ANOTHER GREAT REASON TO CLEAN SWEEP THIS WHOLE GOVERNMENT. FIRE THEM ALL!

    • U.S. Man

      And what does that do but create confusion. Do you want to depend
      on a Civil Servant who doesn’t know his @ss from a whole in the
      ground? Do you want these idiots, worse than what we have now
      of course, to make decisions that affect your life? It’s bad enough that
      we’ve got to tolerate the idiots that we have now but to compound the
      situation with an even greater number of fools and idiots would be
      unthinkable.

      • TimJoFred

        Agree! These morons that say stupid moronic stuff like “Get rid of em all” or “Fire them all” have no clue about the consequences of their statements. Most of them never got more than a “C” in any class in high school let alone understand the world we live in today.

        • Dennis Mullins

          I got STRAIGHT “A”s and I think we should get rid of them, they work FOR US not themselves.

        • tintruder

          Bullcrap. The typical government drone has the nickname “Wedge”…the simplest tool…
          Go into ANY government agency with a question or issue to be resolved and try to get a little COMMON SENSE. It won’t happen.
          All they know is how to spend our money.
          When is the last time you saw a government worker driving a car older than yours? NEVER. See every police department in the country now has a brand new fleet of Chevy vehicles…mostly full-size SUVs….Ford, the only company that DIDN’T get a bailout has been shut out of the police vehicle market while Government Motors is making a significant portion of their revenue from government purchases WHERE SMALLER, MORE ECONOMICAL, MORE DEVELOPED FOR THE MISSION vehicles are available.
          Go to the VA? Some 900lb negro woman will be in charge of your care. She will treat you rudely (unless you’re a negro too) and promptly lose your records. Even simple services YOU ARE ENTITLED TO, PERIOD, will take months or years to obtain. If you went to a regular hospital (They should be forced to accept VA same as insurance and just bill the government) you’d be cared for today. Next week at worst, for something of importance.
          The DMV? Ever wonder how 20 Million illegal aliens manage to get drivers licenses with whatever name they choose on them, identities stolen from American Citizens most of the time? It’s because the government hires Spanish speakers to the DMV over 75% of the time. Since many of these are illegals themselves, any surprise you and I have to show our passports to get a license while Jose, Juan, Maria and Juanita get theirs, showing only a note that says; “Jose is an american citizen. Sincerely his mom, Rosarita”. No Passport required.
          Take ANY government agency, and the only uniform policy is that they help themselves (even if it harms those they are employed to help) before anything else.
          So YES! Fire them ALL. Open ALL the jobs for competitive hiring. Make EVERY EMPLOYEE take a drug test, pass E-Verify on a clean identity, and a polygraph.
          As for the top-level, most poisonous, vile and treasonous elected, appointed and back-room selected government officials? GUANTANAMO. WATER BOARDING. MILITARY TRIBUNALS. THE GALLOWS or OLD SPARKY.

          • TimJoFred

            “Fire them all”
            Where do you draw the line?
            Moron!

          • tintruder

            Well, ass-monkey, you fire those culpable, negligent, incompetent, malicious and/or involved in fraud, waste and abuse.
            Certainly there will be a few good people left in government, and it will take a few cycles to root out the opportunists, in only for themselves, or simply incapable of doing the job, but eventually it will work.
            In truth, randomly selecting a name from the phone book will result in a better performer than most government workers, since the lame and lazy tend to seek out government jobs because of the low standards of performance, damn near impossibility of being fired, and the better pay and benefits than 90% of their non-government peers.
            Leaving government as it is, is logically the same as an oncologist detecting a tumor in a patient and then putting all of his efforts into nurturing the tumor at any cost, no matter the effect on the body.
            Government, as it functions today, with a 40+ year legacy of abject failure and ever-lowering standards of achievement, evaluation and personal conduct, is a cancer on the Republic.
            Frankly, if Osama Bin Laden had crashed jets into Congress and the IRS instead of the actual targets he did hit, Americans would have appreciated the “Regime Change” so much that Osama would probably have been elected president.
            The Elite Government Class has perverted government into a tool to perpetuate their fiefdoms, from which they create rules which invert the Employee/Boss relationship our Founding Fathers created for them. No longer do they work for us, but we are enslaved to work for the expansion and perpetuation of government for its own sake.
            So yes, FIRE THEM ALL. You gotta break eggs to make an omlette.
            Start over with strict adherence to the enumerated powers listed in the Constitution. No more, no less.

          • Tuaca1107

            Actually we call government employees “Working Welfare”.

        • Xxx

          Many of the presidents of USA we not great in school , Our first president was a dumb ass , grades have nothing to do with understanding the world

    • bubba wills

      …and replace them with the likes of you ? I doubt it trailerboy.

      • Connie Fay Bissonnette

        Wow hear nothing but stupidity coming from Bubba.

      • KheSahn068

        “Traitor Boy?” You are, by reasons of common sense, a Dumbocratic Village Idiot, huh?

        • TimJoFred

          He said” trailorboy”. Perhaps language skills and reading comprehension are your long suits.

        • TimJoFred

          NOT!

        • Gear-shone

          It takes an extended family to raise a child. This is we need high high taxes on the super wealthy, to bring back the good old days of Eisenhower and Kennedy . Yee Haa! And Timothy Leary.

        • Allen StClair

          And you must be blind and dumb he said trailerboy.its the dumb trying to give the ignorant what for.btw get off the democrats dicks not every one is a bad guy just as every republican is a good guy.you

    • WalterByrd123

      bubba wills is sad evidence of the elitist mentality of the left.
      Is any MORE evidence needed of the incompetancy, redundancy and drooling-ness of our government needed?

    • Gear-shone

      Off wit der haids!

  • Clark Gertner

    We have been literally asking for this for years… ever since Al Gore invented the I’net (just kidding). I have a friend who owns a CNC company that machines parts for these programs and he HAS to do all of his contract work on the I’net.. it is required every step of the way from RFPs to every document submittal and final product acceptance/payment. The entire system is vulnerable. No one has to hack the gov when they can focus on every company involved in the process and get in through the least protected.

  • Meanstr

    So you have a computer network in house loaded with secrets so hook it up to the web so you can E-mail your friends works great for hackers every time

  • com2pc

    Simply put…Incompetence,and Mistakes like this are the reason we are doomed..

  • Michael Dennis

    At least, the President can say we got even by spying on them back ..so there…so let’s play nice in the school yard, guys!!
    What a F’d up planet!

  • wmath

    Why can’t they keep Secrets offline, there is no need to keep such things online in this day of hackers. Any thing online can be accessed by humans who have developed the anti-dotes as they can also find a way out ..

  • Problemchild1

    The problem is that we have let the greed in our selves destroy our ability to compete with countries that have non Union cheap labor. As for the Chinese hacking into our systems, maybe that isn’t so hard as we have Chinese and other Nationals working in our plants right here in the U. S.A. thanks to the Imagration system and the Political Dumning down of our School system with the rules and regulations of our Department of Education. You all know that Washington Eletes know more than us peons!

    • Juan Lucas

      What you say is all true. More is needed, though. Go back to George Washington. The American Whigs (Washington et al) pioneered “The American System of Political Economy. That system enabled Americans to build WITHOUT a single penny borrowed from foreign bankers (IMF and related banksters). European Black Nobility (BEN) did not like it. Thus, Alexander Hamilton published a small book and gave it away at no charge.. The enemy (BEN) hired a bunch of traitors to trigger a war… same formula as in Jonathan Swift’s “Guliver’s Travel’s.”
      True: The defense of the American Revolution.. that is it,.. that is our task.. not; we need not become Bible-thumpers or go back to visions of fire and brimstone. Being rational and becoming EDUCATED in the thought of the American Whigs, that is where are lacking, to our shame and peril… and so, we tolerate all this mediocrity.. yes: we should dislike Bush, who let Cheney privatize U.S. Army functions.. Obama is no picnic — .. regards… JL

    • Sirius

      If you want to be taken seriously, use your spell-checker, at least! It is immigration, and I’m sure you meant to say “Washington Elites”…and a fellow up there said @ss from a whole in the ground! Would that be as opposed to a half in the ground? Honestly.

  • William Thomas Rogers

    What would you expect from what is nothing more than a ‘third class’ country who can only try to ‘bluff it’s way through’ by ‘stealing from everyone else. The Russians have ‘stolen and copied’ from the U.S. from the beginning to the end of the cold war (which if you stop and think, is still going in the mind of Putin). Why should we be suprised that the Chinese would take advantage of ‘their geeks’ to ‘steal from us’. And as we know, the hacking isn’t just limited to the Chinese either. Maybe it’s time our ‘geeks’ did some major damage and send the Chinese back to their rickshas and rice paddies!

    • Alan

      You must not get out much… What makes you think that China is third class? If you were not suggesting China but rather Russia is third class, what makes you think this? Who are you considering first class?

      China is as sophisticated as any. “Bluff it’s way through”?? LoL what rock are you living under? Who have they been bluffing? They are the new “Sleeping Giant”. They control the chips these days buddy and if they wanted to bluff, they damn sure have the means to back it up. “The Chinese would take advantage of “their geeks” to “steal from us”.”??? Do you really think that China is the only party involved with taking advantage of their geeks and steeling Top Secret information? The US is as guilty as anyone from hacking and spying.

      You mentioned the cold war is still going in the mind of Putin. ANYONE that is paying attention knows that the relationship has improved none since the “END” of the Cold War. So this is still going in the minds of most.

      I am an American. I am patriotic. I am proud to be an American. Please do not let your arrogance persuade you into being a fool.

      Being proud to be an American and being proud of your government are TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT ANIMALS today.

      Much respect,
      ACM

      • Juan Lucas

        Rings true. Look again. The Aljazeera TV station had a report on Chinese computer developments. IBM has now left far behind; same for INTEL Also, the Montreal and Toronto mayors are currently in jail. I did not see any of that on U.S. TV. That is my concern. Please explain whether we are expected to play dumb. Respectfully submitted. Juan Lucas

        • William Thomas Rogers

          Okay, my concern here, and my question here: why are you watching Aljazeera TV? What would would you expect from this very Pro-Arabic network? Montreal and Toronto Mayors? And yes, this has been on U.S. television, including that ‘Bastion of False Information and More Hysteria’, Fox News. Play dumb? Only if you or we choose to do so.

          • Alan

            Again, what is your problem with anything outside of our borders? So what is your point that it is Pro-Arabic? Does that automatically make it Anti-American? If someone of Arabic descent watches CNN or FOX does that make them Anti-Arabic? lol your thoughts are so extreme when it comes to foreigners its crazy. Get out more, travel. You will find out that not everyone that has a darker tone than you wants to destroy your way of life.

          • William Thomas Rogers

            My reply was NOT to you Alan, it was to Juan Lucas, but then again you people cannot leave things alone. It’s all about you. I have traveled Alan, much more than you will ever do in your lifetime. As for ‘darker’ tones, I now find them to be much more connected with this country than others. I don’t worry about my way of life. Pro-Arabic, Anti-American – and they do watch CNN, and HOPEFULLY NOT Fox – they have the right to watch what they want. It’s only when people here start taking Aljazeera as seriously as they do Fox that we have a problem. So Alan, wave your flag, I’ll wave mine and in the long run, the world will go on, the sun will rise tomorrow, and even St. Sarah, St. Rush, and St. Michelle can’t bring it down….Nor You and this time I’ll let you have the last word as I do not intend to reard you reply.

        • Alan

          IBM and INTEL being left behind isn’t as much of a surprise as it is disappointing. We are falling behind in many categories unfortunately. This is one of the drawbacks with policies that we have recently put into place over the past few years. Small businesses and innovators are becoming endangered species here in America.

          I don’t understand the Montreal and Toronto mayors not being reported. The one thing I do know is the “Gag Order” that has been put onto our media should be alarming to all. We look at countries like China, N. Korea etc. where the outside is made to look evil and the inside as rosy as possible and each day that goes by we are proving to be not so different. The news media here, report what they are told to report. We all know that this has been taking place for decades but this admin. has taken the reins and have driven the bit into the throats of our media. It is amazing what you can learn from watching news media outside of our borders, quite frightening actually.

      • William Thomas Rogers

        You know, Alan, I’m so happy that you’re a friend of the Chinese and you’ve jumped on the China Bandwagon. Is ‘Edward Snowden’ also a friend of yours? I’m not sure what you consider Patriotism or Patriotic, but you’re resignation to the hysteria and ‘the sky is falling certainly seems to lack a lot when it comes to Amercia. You say you are an American, that you are patriotic, and proud to be an American and I’m arrogant. You’re the one seeing the ‘wolves at the door’ and doing absolutely nothing but ‘running in circles and screaming and shouting!’ Kind of makes me wonder which side you’re really on and if you want controversy, let me give you this: how do we know that you’re not really Chinese and trying to spread the crap? Now go take a cold shower, you’ll feel better….maybe.

        • Alan

          I am not what you would call a friend of the Chinese. However, I am not in a position where I have any reason to consider the Chinese my enemy either. After all, they do support my country and it’s spending addictions financially. I’m really not sure where the China Bandwagon is or has been, I’ve yet to see one.

          Edward Snowden? I don’t know the guy personally but I appreciate what he has done for AMERICA thus far. I think he has done AMERICA a great deed by exposing the spying that our GOVERNMENT is taking part of. I think you are getting the two words, AMERICA and GOVERNMENT confused. When people refer to our AMERICA, we refer to it’s people. When people refer to GOVERNMENT, we are referring to the ones in office making all of the decisions. Please make sure not to get these two confused, because once you do, you may find yourself supporting the GOVERNMENT and not AMERICA. With that said, I’m sure you get whose side you can find me on.

          The sky is certainly not falling. Unless you are referring to our freedoms in AMERICA. That sky however is falling. Edward Snowden is the most recent to point that out on a large stage… He has pointed out the wolves that most of us knew were already there. He is the one that IS doing something about it instead of “running in circles and screaming and shouting!”.

          I really dislike controversy but if we refused to face it our GOVERNMENT and AMERICA would be just like the country you think so low of, CHINA. It’s the people who separate country and government that keep the government (wolves) at bay.

          When you made reference that the “sky is falling” and the wolves at the door” that was a jab that I may be paranoid. Now it is you who think that I may be a Chinese kid pretending to be an American Patriot spreading the love for China and the fear of America.

          Off to take my cold shower…

          • William Thomas Rogers

            Alan, I will say this: you really have been indoctrinated, haven’t you. The ‘Conspiracy Theories’ seem to run ‘rampant’ throughout your text. The Chinese support your country and its spending addictions? and yet you can’t see where the Chinese Bandwagon is? And Edward Snowden has done America great?

            I do find fascinating your attempt to rationalize the above by AMERICA and GOVERNMENT. When we refer? No, Alan, you do not speak for all of us..anymore than Mitt Romney, John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, John McCain, the list goes on ad nauseaum. There is no confusion on my part and I will always support AMERICA and its GOVERNMENT – one goes hand in hand with the other.

            And Alan…I’d quit listening so intently to Fox News…they’re ratings are dropping, they’ve had to re-hire the symbol of all that’s wrong with this country, Sarah Palin, to help get those ratings back up. We made mincemeat of her before, we will do it again. I hope while in the shower, you took your brain out and re-washed it.

          • Alan

            Me Indoctrinated lol? Ok… I’m not the one who is stuck on GOVERNMENT=GOOD YES. GOVERNMENT MAKE BAD DECISION? IMPOSSIBLE!!! I question things that people do that are illegal and against the rights of it’s people. You feel that questioning our “leaders” is a bad thing and unpatriotic. Are you sure you understand the term fully?

            Are you saying that the Chinese are not the main lenders that are funding this governments spending spree? Just because it’s a fact does not make it a bandwagon. You’re right, when I say we, I don’t speak for all. There are still a few out there that get confused when thinking, not supporting your government in every action or decision that they make, makes that person Anti-American or unpatriotic.

            Edward Snowden has done fine. If he only releases documents where the government infringed on the American Citizens rights he has done well, as long he does not give secrets to other nations he has done well. When he turns that corner he will become the traitor that you claim that he already is.

            I’m not rationalizing anything William. There is a difference and I’m sorry that you do not see that difference. They do NOT go hand in hand. The government of today and it’s citizens are two separate walks of life my friend after completely different goals. The citizens follow laws and orders set in place by our forefathers and a constitution. The government of today tramples all over our rights as citizens and brain washes people to feel unpatriotic if they don’t support it. One day you will grow up and realize that you do NOT need the government protecting you. But then again, you may be one that will never feel safe without them.

            Ratings shmatings… I don’t really watch too much Fox news. I would watch it quite a bit more if they had more John Stossel. As far as American News Media it is unfortunately the most reliable. But they are gagged like the rest of the media. What is wrong with Sarah Palin? She is a 50 year old lady that can hunt, fish, put food on the table, cook it, out last most men outdoors in most situations. Oh, did I forget that she was good looking? When you say “we made minced meat of her” are you speaking for all of us? Certainly not…

  • dna53

    When the USA gets something very costly stolen someone SHOULD be FIRED
    As a taxpayer, I’m sick of it.

  • Robdione

    The Russians do this all the time: Create some bogus highly secret projrct plans that have no chance of success, then somehow let it slip through their fingers. The result is whoever stole it will spend billions to replicate it, only to have it fail….. no worry. The French did it back to them with the Concord. Russians stole bogus plans, launched their version at the Paris airshow in 1973, and watched it dive into the ground.

  • Awest92

    Hmm… they had this ‘private’ information, yet they couldn’t keep it secure…
    Good thing we are debating how much of our privacy we need to hand over in exchange for their security. What a joke.

  • omnimax

    no big deal-technology today becaomes obsolete is maybe 5 years or less-this will be outdated by the time it is produced. That’s IF whoever stole it can affort the big buck necessary to produce it.

  • ahorvath

    That is because this administration is using the CIA, FBI, NSA, DOJ, Homeland Security, IRS etc to spy on Americans instead of protecting the Country from outside enemies. They have managed to turn our security services into criminal organizations that spy on us and attempt to intimidate us. We need to fundamentally change our government. Vote in 2014 and 2016 like your liberty depended on it and don’t go along with any gun control schemes.

    • PolicyWonk

      Go and re-read your recent history: the current version of the patriot act that you’re complaining about was enacted 7 years ago, by a republican administration and two republican-led houses of representatives.

      Considering some of these same people that are complaining about the legislation they voted for, the correct question you should be asking your representatives, is “do you even READ the legislation you vote FOR?”.

      The current administration inherited the vast majority of all this. If you don’t like the policies – you should complain to your GOP representatives who shortsightedly gave too much power to the government – without realizing that it might end up in the hands of the other party.

      And this wouldn’t have been the first time they did this, either.

  • patriotgrandma

    morons. Didnt they ever hear of a PEN AND PAPER??? NO computer is safe from hacking now. We have OUT TECHED ourselves. EVERYBODY has hackers ..so it its REALLY important…put it on paper with a good old fashioned pen and lock it in a file!

    • Gordon

      “NO computer is safe from hacking now.” It would be a lot more difficult if top secret information was confined to a LAN and not accessible ON THE INTERNET!!

    • Dennis Mullins

      And where would you suggest as a safe place to keel 1,000,000 TUNS of paper?!?

      • patriotgrandma

        Dear Dennis….take a moment and think. THINK ABOUT THE PROBLEM..not a smartass answer. BUT since I believe you have not enough knowledge to know about this…check out where they store old movies, scripts, papers etc. Hint..its underground and made of salt. Next…I strongly doubt millions of TONS.(..not tuns as hooked on phonics tells you to spell it) pieces of paper are needed to blueprint the design of one weapon. Doubt the thing is as big as the the Empire state bld and they only needed a few pages for that. Next time I hope you stop and think about if or not progress is for everything always. oh yes…and respect your elders.

        • Dennis Mullins

          Dear patriotgrandma take a moment to realize that the national defence computer has a 100 million gigabyte hard drive, that is 100 billion
          characters , (which includes spaces) 1 sheet of paper can only hold about 500 characters, that comes to 200,000 sheets of paper,(front and back) for EACH 1 million gigs, do the math, that is a LOT of PAPER to try to keep safe and the only place bug enough for all of that paper is NORAD, of course they WILL have to get rid on the afore mentioned computer so they will have room, and then they can hire you as their “Retrieval system, it should only take you about a year or so to fine each document they need yesterday.
          I do respect my elders, even when they make moronic statements.

          • patriotgrandma

            Dear Dennis…..the size is never important. Little boy was done on paper. The point is safety. I hope the men with brains in the defense department realize they are not the only ones so endowed and that as I said before sometimes going backwards works better than going forward. And seeing as they just got f’d again by our enemies I would suggest returning that favor. Bics are still cheap and eraseable now.

          • Dennis Mullins

            Dear Pareiotmama, Listen little girl, judging by your photo, you haven’t been a grandma nearly as long as I have been a Great grandpa and my son will have his second in 4 months, so please don’t “little boy” me. little man AND fat man were both only one SMALL project compared to HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF OTHER SECRET PROJECTS that are on that hard drive, Those are there too, by the way, I have 14 reams of hard copy just in documents from my 15 gig hard drive, it is only a quarter full, and less than half of that is documents, and that is about a 42 inch tall stack of paper, I haven’t actually measured the stack, but I did measure the inside of my safe, and it takes up more than than the 32 inch inside hight. That is less than a quarter of the paper used, and kept JUST on little boy. God only knows how much was waisted from re writes and screw ups, gee, never thought of that, just think of how much paper can be saved, just because I can backspace on this, but not with a pen. Sorry, that was a bit too sarcastic sounding, but, not nearly as bad as what I had just used the backspace on(LOL). It has been a pleasure arguing with you, haven’t had a good one in a ling time. Stay well, and have a good evening.

          • patriotgrandma

            thanks for the compliment….but if you are as old as you say then you understand that a blueprint doesnt need a single gig. They built everything with them and no enemy could just make copies while sitting in front of their computer dressed in their boxers and slurping rice noodles. Btw…….the only reason I am not the great grandmother I could be is because I taught my adult granddaughter(out of four) that most men think size to their own detriment. Congratulations great grandpa..hope for the national security of the future its a girl!!

          • Scott Wendt

            Actually, @patriotgrandma does have a point even if her solution of strictly pen and paper might not work out as you say @Dennis Mullins. A big part of the problem here as anyone with an IT security background can tell you is that there is no such thing as a totally secure computer system, (especially one that is part of a network and especially if parts of that network are wireless!) But given the amount of data floating around DoD and the Military Industrial Complex (MIC) today, it would be impossible to rely solely on paper or even microfiche. So, THE ANSWER IS… two things! First, NO MORE SMARTPHONES and IPADS CONNECTED TO GOVERNMENT NETWORKS! Absolutely no wireless devices should ever be allowed anywhere near government data storage devices. No cellphones, cordless phones, ipads, blackberries and NO ONE should use anything but a wired up desktop computer to process data. Portable devices are just too “portable.” Oh, and one last thing, no electronic data networks spread across the globe using commercial trunk lines. We all already know why NSA was so interested in everyone’s encrypted emails, its so they can ultimately find the patterns that will eventually allow them to break 256bit and higher encryption. And, everyone knows if we are working on it, so is China. Which means soon all encrypted data will be decryptable. So, no more email, period. Which leads to number two. In order for this new level of security to work, DoD is going to have to go back on a data diet. Comms will only happen when its important. If its not worth getting up out of your chair to go tell the boss in person, well maybe its not that important. Its the way we use to work and we CAN do it again. Imagine a workplace where no one is online shopping at work, your boss actually tells you face to face about the new project he wants you to work on, and your not expected to already be reviewing your emails while your still having breakfast with your family.

          • bobsomm

            Scott, genuinly secure systems are not connected to the world. Genuinely secure systems only talk with secure systems. No one has the fix to run red and black data on the same computer. Therefore, our most secret electronics still operate in a mode refered to as Air Gap, meaning no info can get into or out of a computer and be interfaced with another via electronic transfers live to others. Such information is put onto a disk or other device and hand transfered to the other host. These keep all data from communications devices. Unfortunately that has relaxed as we can see by the article.
            There is an actual date when the China problem began. It is known because a US President trying to repay China supporters for his election, decided to be friendly with the Chinese and even let some of them work at Sandia and other facilities where they were inside and stole all of our plans for the next 10 years regarding of our nulear programs.

  • ROBINHOOD7200

    We have a Government of contractors. The solution can also be unplugging the phone line on those computers.

  • Ed Forney

    As I’ve always believed. China’s goal is world domination, and they just got a bit closer.

  • POSMYTHE

    BS – the plane is junk

  • Shawn Toumodge

    Science and its engineering fruits per se is application NEUTRAL, i.e., can be in service to humanity or in its destruction (as in developing weapons). Only a very small percentage of us humans has the interest and the mental capability to become scientists and engineers. Therefore, employing this precious human resource by non-scientist politicians who are in control in advancement of their warmongering insanity of seeking perpetual wars is against humanity at large. Leveling the playing field ensures mutual assured destruction and hopefully will eventually teach our stupid and vicious politicians that the jig is up and it’s high time to devote our very limited brain resources to welfare of our country and not promoting death and destruction which create more enemies in other independent countries.

  • Heath

    It is Bush’s and Obama’s Administration. The first leak was six years ago, that falls under bush, but for this administration to not fix the problem and just say it also happened six years ago. That is just putting blame on others. Take responsibility and fix the issues.

  • Kris

    Gee, where’s the NSA when you need them? Oh I know, their busy spying on Americans instead of doing their jobs and spying on terrorists! What are the NSA and the CIA hackers hacking? Oh I know, Americans computers and e-mails instead of other govts.! Why aren’t they stopping the hackers, like they found the Boston bombers before they unleashed their terror bombs. They couldn’t find them even after Russia warned them twice about them!

  • Elizabeth Voetberg

    I smell BS…always an agenda behind a story…media never reveals the whole truth. I bet they sold these prototypes and agreed among themselves to act like a hack. Why is it now being released after all the scandals that are going on…hmmm fishy fishy

  • Brian

    We’ve got the NSA spying on everyone, supposedly the most sophisticated comp. programs available yet China/Russia can just swoop in and vacuum out anything they want. That’s progress for you. Maybe if the NSA stopped spying on it’s own citizens and started spying on our enemies, they would be able to intercept cyber-threats before they happened not years later. Great job Federal Government. Why don’t you just give it all to them?

  • Actionwriter

    BAE systems–in particular their Texas USA division should be taken OFF the DOD approved contractors list. Reason? they are one of the most INsecure operatins in the world and will sell data glemed from DOD and other defense contractors to China or the highest bidder. Fact? Go back to decorated hero Dakota Meyer’s protest while working for them on a hi tech sniper scope. when he learned they were going to sell the scope to china he resigned from his position and made news by disclosing the data with documents to prove his case. BAE also manufactures–from DOD specifications and Boeing specs a super secret airborne laser capable of frying a complete installation from miles away . Chances are, this weapon system will be used in the very near future,,….by China. BAE is this country’s worst security liability.

  • jrp1947

    i think these guys could rival the three stooges when it comes to competence and Obama is leading the pack. we have had more failures under him than we have had under thet last half dozen presidents. How much longer do we need to put up with this loser and his joke of a cabinet?

    • PolicyWonk

      Where the current incumbent is hardly perfect, his job isn’t to personally monitor the network and computing security of the nations defense contractors.

      And while you’re at it, maybe you should have a look at the Presidential Rankings Studies conducted over the past several years. They are far more favorable to the current incumbent that to his predecessor, who ranks far below that of even Jimmy Carter.

  • gclutzy

    if you wont to stop this hacking don’t pay there cable bill or keep all top secret stuff of computers that are connected to the web and don’t hire any body from the NSA.

  • Connie Fay Bissonnette

    I’m confident the classified material is well protected . Obviously not WTF is wrong with this government and the outside access to this kinda of information a lot of governments have closed net or this type of stuff yet we pay 100’s of billions of dollars and just give it away. Bad enough we are the worlds police do we really need to arming our enemies

  • KheSahn068

    Hmmmm! Can’t blame the Obama Administration. They were never told and knew nothing about it!

  • jimtree

    Drones will make this system obsolete in a matter of a few years. It is largely a waste of money at this point. A drone can make moves that would be impossible for a human piloted aircraft since the g-force would kill the pilot. It is the same as wasting money on battleships right before World War II which had been made obsolete by aircraft carriers.

  • LEG

    It is so funny sitting here reading all the comments fighting with each other. When you all are responsible for the state of this country. If all you can do is post comments about who is the problem , them blame each other. You are the problem. Sit back on your butt and do nothing, for nothing will ever change until YOU do something about it

  • xraybandit

    not china. someone very close to us.

  • Jimmy 6

    …Relax my fellow watchers. We all know when China decides to make its move, It starts conventional . Quickly moves to space..(were we have all kinds of surprises for those sneaky Chinese) Most Americans have no idea. Then we Nuke them into surrender…..can’t eait.

  • lyleo

    And boy, how can we disarm America Quicker, by signing agreements between the White House and our advisaries to reduce our nuclear weapons, and just around the corner, reducing our military strength, cancelling weaponry programs and, oh yeah, sticking our heads in the sand and hoping all the bad guys just go away. Oppps, almost forgot, we are now bending over forwards to kiss the butts of the Taliban and Al Qeada to lay down their swords and take up pot growing I guess. Numb Numb Numb

  • Bob Ickrath

    The F-111 was supposed to be a joint services aircraft, but it was such a piece of garbage, and huge, that the Navy said no thanks and used some of the technology to build the F-14. Basically the Navy has such specific needs such as beefed up struts and a serious tailhook (to mention a few) that usually the two services don’t agree in the end.

  • Gramerck

    Instead of snooping on the American citizen in the name of terrorism, this money could be used to take our security serious and bring back government workers and stop outsourcing

  • dam if i dont

    wow the nsa was so busy spying on citiznes they let someone steal the f 35 … lol
    nother new in the obama administration

  • the pragmatist

    It costs money to keep thing secure. One of our Political Party’s does not want to spend money. That Party does not care if things get stolen?

  • Randy Caperton

    Once again we have ourselves another blunder by Hussein Obama and his
    circus of clowns.

  • openyoureyesthenewslies

    Come on everyone you know that this is just a media propaganda scheme. “They” keep stealing “secrets” but for some reason we are the only ones that have a working version. Let them think they got something then it is easier to trace the location of the link. Make them really think they got something by admitting it and you validate the undercover agent who “sold the secrets”. This is espionage 101.

  • J S

    Makes you wonder, in this day and age of unbrideled GREED, if those plans getting out were a “whoopsie!” to get some fat cash

  • Toby Hoover

    If information like this is leaked/stolen. Then the technology the gov is trying to keep secret is already out dated and they are working on a bigger, better more technologically advance project. Our Govt is very good at keeping secrets and letting certain info leak or get stolen. If it was stolen the Govt wanted it stolem.

  • Dennis Mullins

    Lot of people blaming Bush, “Obama was left with all of Bush’s problems”, and after the next election everyone will complain about Obama doing the same thing. Here is some BREAKING NEWS: EVERY PRESIDENT HAS INHERITED THE PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS PROBLEMS, has happened every 4 to 8 years in the last 50 that I KNOW OF, and if you actually check, Obama is not in charge, Congress is, he is just the fool that has to sign the damn things.

  • warrenbty

    Well, why are Military secrets on a computer system that can be accessed by the web? A secure network with zero outside connection is the only way a secret can be secret. Hackers have proved that with the internet it has made life easier for parties to gain access to things they should not. There is no reason plans for a stealth fighter should be online any more than access to a nuclear power plant. Some things for the sake of all should be manned at all times, pay a guard to stand over the only access point for a new weapon, if the development team wants to work from home perhaps security of a nation is not the job for them.

  • GigGG

    We hire people right off the boat not Loyal to US in the name of Diversity. Now Diversity is bitting US in the AS____

  • Rusty

    Good going USA something else the bad guys can use against us, I see the cold war is still alive and well.

  • Gator

    I wonder how we manage to keep any of our military secrets, secret at all? When we spend the money we do to develop these “Next Gen.” weapons, you would think someone would be smart enough to develop a system to keep it secure! We must employ the best in the fields of development & cyber-security, pay them Very well and make sure the program is secure at all cost! It’s either that or not bother to develop them at all. To basically give away this Info. because we were not smart enough to keep it safe is pathetic!

  • Fed Up

    So…no use spending billions on them now?

  • metusmetu

    You’d think they would learn to keep critical/top secret stuff off the web/internet!! Problem solved. Get it through your head U.S. Govt. you ain’t the best at everything anymore, if a small outfit in the states can hack your sites, don’t you think other countries can do it too? Hide your secrets the old fashioned way, much safer.
    Anyway, it’s what you get for letting Chinese into this country, they’ve stolen everything from you, and the U.S., and taken it back to China and copied it. Now they’re running the world, not you. I’d laugh, but it’s not really funny.

  • AJAX

    Put the darn plans on paper and stop using a computer. Stop being lazy. Ditch the teleprompter.

    • Dennis Mullins

      You are talking about a million TUNS of paper, where is a safe place to put that?!?

  • AJAX

    I should charge for this advice; it’s worth billions. Stop using computers for this work.

  • p38l5

    Here is a concept: Instead of NSA collecting all that “raw data” to be stored in a huge new complex, how about build a system with the money to PROTECT OUR SYSTEMS FROM HACKERS! I have known Cyber Warriors in the Gov’t who had the skills to do this if given the funds and the mission to do it. It would be cheaper.

  • mount carmine

    What else is new the white house has been loaded with subversives for the past nine years Pull the plug on all off them if we can make it to 2014

  • Delmar

    Unclassified information? Grow-up people, we give “Unclassified information” away. It means nothing but something to write a story about.

    • There’s more than one kind of unclassified information. In this case, it sounds like contractors’ proprietary intellectual property got stolen and used to fast-forward years of development work. The companies may not have authority to classify that data, but they certainly keep it secret and it certainly has national security implications when it goes walking.

  • brownie

    We’re facing a communist dictatorship with a crony capitalist economic system – a nightmare far more threatening than the Soviet Union.
    A nation of thieves, est. to have stolen 1-5 trillion dollars in intellectual capital so far.
    AND China has between 1,200 (Russian intel.) and 3,000 (Georgetown Univ. study) nuclear missiles hidden in a 3k tunnel system – NOT the 240 nukes the Left Disarmament Kooks advising Obama claim. China is building between 150-200 nuclear warheads and bombs PER YEAR (mainly derived from stolen W88 warhead data).

  • Don Bacon

    Indeed, the value of what’s been stolen from the defense industry is just a tiny fraction of the intellectual property stolen from commercial business

    “The defense industry” is worldwide. Companies in the nine partner countries of the F-35 program are all eligible for subcontracts, for example. Some of them, you might say, are ‘wishy-washy,’ where proprietary info might ‘go walking.’ Take Australia, for example, an F-35 “partner.”

    News report:

    Melbourne-based Lovitt Technologies Australia (LTA) has been awarded a contract for work in the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program. Lockheed Martin has contracted the LTA to produce titanium keels in a three-year contract worth an estimated US$2.945 million.

    Australia isn’t far from China, politically or otherwise.

    May 5, 2013

    Australia’s White Paper Reveals Reluctance to Paint China Red
    TAIPEI — Australia released its 2013 Defence White Paper on May 3 outlining various defense challenges and goals the nation faces.

    One area of surprise is the paper’s claim that “Australia welcomes China’s rise.” This should serve as a reality check for those in Washington who believe that Australia will serve as a key contributor to the Pentagon’s future AirSea Battle plans against China.

    http://www.defensenews.com/article/20130505/DEFREG/305050003/Australia-s-White-Paper-Reveals-Reluctance-Paint-China-Red

  • Alex

    “Even if we don’t expect to fight the Chinese or the Russians — we certainly hope we won’t, not least because they have nuclear weapons — they have a nasty habit of selling advanced weapons to people we are likely to fight, like Iran.”

    As long as we get our priorities right. It is not as if the largest proliferator of nuclear weapons technology around the world, Pakistan (under the guise of A.Q. Khan), a long standing US ally. I would think that would have been a much bigger threat to the US than the piddly F-35.

    Unfortunately, what we have seen with the F-35 and also the 787 program, clever people with control of a lot of money believe the hype that it can all be done easily despite a long history of promises always coming up short. Reality turned out to be somewhat different. All this self-inflicted. Who need the Russians and the Chinese when everyone at home is thinking about their own pocket???

  • onebigfurybear

    Ouch, Cyber Security, who is heading that up? Homeland Security? What exactly does Homeland Security do? The F35 was a $400 billion project spilled or given to the Chinese so our Aircraft Manufacturers can open up a newer projects? Why so few Senators attending? This is what it sounds like when the sht hits the fan Maaareen! So when the sht hits the fan who do they call? The United States Marine Corp. Following fran01, I have to agree, I was Engineering new Aircraft Carriers at NNS, VA and we had to send out sensitive data to a dozen Contractors, sometimes to get the lowest bid, sometimes to get the best value, in either case we were giving out information that built a cheap ship or an enemy equivalent. I often felt that way about the Space Shuttle, letting out details to the lowest bidder to propel a ship to 25,000 mph. So Cyber Security isn’t anything new, what’s to stop our little Buddies from jamming or destroying our much needed Military satellites? It wasn’t long ago the FCC took away analog signal TV frequencies, thus making antennas obsolete, then handing the frequencies over to cell phone manufacturers. Cyber Security can and will affect everything we depend on today. So maybe these same Senators can authorize the 8000 Marine sequestration to learn about Counter Threats to our Homeland. I know Marines like to fight, but here is a brand new way to defeat our enemy from inside out. Besides it is a better skill to sell to American Corporations in Civilian life.

  • onebigfurybear

    It’s amazing how Civilization has changed since the first piston engine, and we still have piston engines after a hundred years, since WWII we learned from the German Scientists and Engineers, the V2 (still a cruise missile to me), the first jet aircraft ME 232, advancements in submarine technology, encryption devices (still happening today), at the end of the War we, the USA stole half of their Engineers and Scientists and the former Soviet Union got the other half. The NAZI’s were awful people, but the technology was very good. Fortunately America and her Allied Forces defeated the German Air Force, NAVY and Soldiers. We lost a lot of Men, many never accounted for. So how do defeat the Cyber Security Breach? Do like nature does it, evade, destroy, give them Trojan horses, cookies, THINK OUT OF THE BOX, reinvent the computer. It’s all zero’s and one’s, little electronic switches, so with the minds of our best Math Professors and Electronic Engineers, we can come up with a better mouse trap. We are dependent on our electronic gadgets, satellites and power plants. I wish I could meet the hidden quiet Professor who invented War Games many years ago. Electronic algorithms work in chess games, so can they be developed in advanced or reinvented chess games. When it’s a matter of winning against an adversary, you have to think, what do I have? What do I want? What do I need? and what do I have to lose? We are after all building and installing solar panels, the NAVY has a credible laser weapon, a couple of case hardened satellites EMP resistant, while Technology is on our side, there are sharks swimming around us. If we need to keep or friends close and our enemies closer, why don’t we let the Chinese take care of their own problems and we will simply tighten up our security a smidge.

  • RW

    Why are the computer systems used for top secret development connected to the internet anyway ? They should be in labs cut off from the rest of the world, not parked on the side of the road on the information highway where anyone with a slim jim can steal them.

  • Mehmet Emre

    You can have a look at some great F-35 photos :

    F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Pictures

  • mickcollin

    The F-35 is NOT superior to the fifth generation fighters the Russians and Chinese have. IF we don’t spend more time and money on this issue;we will find ourselves in serious trouble 10-20 years from now.

    WE literally can’t allow these two countries,and I suppose India also to reach the point where we, as JFK might say,are ‘second’ or third to these countries.

    I know allegedly,we have way ahead in missiles etc BUT why not be ahead in all categories?

    NOW,they are not threats,they will be,in the future! Let’s deal with this problem before we are reacting,and unable to defend not only our own interest BUT strategic interests we ‘once’ controlled!

    By the way,other than the oxygen problem,what happened to the F-22? I was under the impression the F-35 was not as versatile and that we NEEDED BOTH planes,now we seem to have been told………..or better YET,simply nothing has been said about WHY the F-35 is NOW superior to every other American fighter. This is of great concern to me!

  • Steved

    Hasn’t any of these companys ever heard of Intranets. Secured from the internet.

  • WalterByrd123

    Hmm, they can’t run a simple website, like Obimbo’s Affordable Care Act…of course they did not ask anyone with real world experience, such as Amazon or any of the major web site players to be a part of this very very very very very simple website..
    Now they can’t keep super secret VERY IMPORTANT weapons systems from being hacked.
    Is it true that Government is the last locale of the world’s most Incompetent People?
    The answer is YES!!!…

  • WalterByrd123

    OK, more evidence of crap Federal Government shenanigans. What drooling ninnies they are, really.

  • Snowshift

    The problem is pretty simple: People go to college, pay their dues for years, then struggle to get a good job. They are the new kids on the block, promotion can come slowly. What are the engineers and scientists interested in? Well, certainly not dull, time-consuming software that’s entirely out of their field: Anti-virus and firewalls. They have other things to do. They just want the computers to work.

    So larger companies have security departments. And guess what? They have their own agenda, too. (Hint: it doesn’t involve any more hand-holding of ignorant users than necessary.)

    Nobody in a company gets promoted because they have “good security”. Most managers are just as clueless as their employees about it. So it’s not even a part of people’s evaluations.

    The net result is these companies are wide open for even casual attacks.

  • MindWatcher

    I am sick and tired of listening that China is hacking our security systems ans stealing our secrets. Is there anybody in this government trying to do something to stop this madness? So, you think China is our friend? Of course not. You would have to be so naive and stupid to think so… Is the White House and Congress really concerned about this tragedy and take some aggressive action to confront these undeclared war on us? What is the military doing to redress this imbalance in Cyber War and Cyber Espionage? Are going to let China continue this unprovoked war on us? I do not give a damn thing about China…. I really do not. They can keep their stuff and shovel it on their behinds, and most important, I would care less about defaulting on the national debt if they continue fighting us like that…. Is there anybody out there with enough balls to fight these criminals? Is there? Are we afraid of fighting back just because China is paying our unrestrained deficits thanks to the White House and irresponsible Congress? Are you appeasers just to stay in power and continue this nonsense practice of spending and spending? If you answer any of these questions in a positive way, then you are a traitor of democracy, and a filthy politician eager to kill, steal, and destroy the very essence of what America is all about: FREEDOM. I guess, we should be thinking about 2016 and clean the White House, and eliminate the rodents pretending to be our representatives in Congress. ESPIONAGE AND CYBER WAR are real you morons. You have already done enough damage to U.S. National Security by pretending to serve the interests of the American people. If you are really PATRIOTS of this Country, then you should quit and leave your seat to TRUE AMERICANS trying to work the common welfare of this beautiful nation. Yes, I am a true Patriot, and I do not give a rat thing about those who are not doing anything to protect American and its military & economic secrets. The greedy ones can go to hell, and lazy ones can go to jail…. If you love America, then you should step up and fight for America and stop being an ass and a lazy duck….. God Bless America

  • Pablo Antequera

    When half of you idiots decide to stop branding people like Edward snowden as heroes, perhaps we can keep these things a secret.

  • fightforjustice1

    Sheer greed is causing the downfall of the U.S. Profit has overridden patriotism in this country. Selling your own mother for a dime seems to be the business climate in today’s world. And the so called government and business leaders that participate in this exchange of technical information know exactly the crimes they are committing against this nation .Sedition and Treason. Does anyone think for one moment that we can’t stop the cyber espionage . Is it now the norm to allow military personnel from Geopolitical adversaries into our classified production facilities and military installations? The USA has forgotten the Cold war while the Communists have continued on with their strategic plan’ Why conduct R&D to develop weapons when it is much easier and faster to.steal our only economic and national security advantage, technology, piece by piece.,

  • Loyd

    One big major mistake is system developers having internet connections to the computers they use for design work and sending design info back and forth to each other. Also no foreign nationals should ever be allowed to work directly for the U S Government or for any sub contractors or at any college / Universities or anywhere that sensitive work of this nature is being done.

  • Honesty Counts

    If all of the plans for the jet were stolen, then why don’t we just buy 1000 F-35 ‘COPIES’ from the Chinese and save the taxpayer a few Billion dollars in costs? After all, they will have the exact same fighter, but built for only 1/20th the price we are being asked to pay.

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  • DerpDerpDerp

    hur hur dey stole all the secrets but we are going to use it anyway hur hur

    So much for having the edge or a national security force worth having faith in. Heck, they probably gave them the secrets so the traitors could start another war in our name and make themselves seem needed.

    We didn’t need you when this story broke and we don’t need you now.

  • Jon Allen

    Why would they have to hack n steal it our shitty president would give them the blue prints and then givem 150 billion to go ahead n build it.

  • JoeLorenzo

    And all of this bad stuff has it’s roots in really bad immigration policy.

  • Jan Grootenboer

    Isn’t it high time for some British “Name and Shame? No, not the Chinese but those companies which somehow still enable such industrial espionage?

  • ncollins

    Obama freely handed over our Military secrets to anyone willing to pay then Clinton under the bus. Obama got his crooks out of the country the day Trump took office so Trump could ask them no questions. Treason by Obama and his group have been the worst in US history. We may never recover from the damage by a traitor named Barry (Obama) or what ever name he uses online.